turbo38gn, I apologize, I didn't realize that this forum was only for those people that consider S&W a company that can do no wrong. I will try to only post glowing reviews in the future.

I really like S&W and I own many of their products; will this stop me from buying S&W in the future, not likely. It does raise the risk of buying the products that I prefer, pre ILS, but I have been buying guns since 1979 and I will just have to take my chances knowing that I have no recourse with S&W even if they agree the gun is in new condition and the defect was caused by them.

Thanks for all the time providing your thoughts both positive and negative.