Mike , I sold a 5" about a year ago to one of the guys in the unit.It was so new still had the cardboard carton over the wood case.I will check with him and let you know, also R Wemmer has a beautiful 3 1/2", I cleaned up for him,before he retired, not sure if he would want to part with it,like new.With his new job maybe he needs an auto,HA.Will keep my eyes open.Bob