I got a handmade rig with floral designs for a 8 3/8" N frame in a trade a few days ago. It has 33 cartridge loops that are filled with .41 magnums, some silver tips, some not. It's a nice looking rig and I am thinking about finding a .41 mag with that barrel length. The guy who had it said he paid $400 for over 20 years ago. Hang on and I'll go get it out of the trunk of my car and see if I can find a maker on it somewhere...Well, there went that idea. This thing won't fit me, so scratch the idea of buying a gun to go with a nice holster. I'm a 44" waist and the belt won't quite buckle up. I'm guessing it's a 36 to a 40, maybe a 42. I can't find a maker stamp on it and the guy I got it from is from Penn. so I don't know who made it. It is nice though. I might put it in the classifieds when Jr. gets back from Louisville and can get some good pics for me.