19-3 4" bought new in 1970 - 19-3 2 1/2 " new in late 75 or early in 76 - a new old stock 14-4 bought in about 1983, never fired, traded for a sig 220 in about 93 bought back from the same shop (actually its successor) in about 2006 It wasn't unfired anymore but still spoke to me.