Dragon - who makes the grip in the bottom picture?
St/Db - I really like the looks of the spegels, escpecially the high position on the back of the frame, and they look to be wider helping to distribute recoil over bigger area. I've been using a high grip position with the web of my hand right at the top of the frame - but I'll be honest - even with light 38s the recoil is well - somewhat painful with the stock grips. STock grips are nice feel, small, and certainly fit the concealable role. but I like to be able to shoot a reasonable amount w/o pain...

Thanks again all - now off to look at the Spegel offerings.

Shooter686