Thanks everyone, Visitation was tonight, funeral tommorrow. I was hopeing to get an honor guard from Ft Cambell but it was to short of a notice. Pappy was a lifetime member of the VFW and him and his friends would do the honor guard/21 gun salute for other veterans that had died ( I have pictures of it). He used his 03 Springfield that he brought back from Europe for honor guard, those blackpower blanks did ruin the barrel on the Springfield. I have much to tell about him and will start a thread in the Lounge to honor him. Will be in a few weeks though. I also found a cool pic of Pappy's Dad, Herman Cleveland Ward, he was holding a nickle plated top-break revolver,The gun is still in the house as I remember playing with it as a kid. The picture is dated 1898.