Just to clarify I have a great deal of respect for the game that I pursue. The place I am hunting is a very dense new growth clearcut. There are several winding trails meandering throughout. The last 4 deer I have taken there were from 10, 12, 18, and 7 yards. Unless they are ontop of you you don't see them. The longest possible shot would be about 30 yards over a foodplot that is hunted by another person. I was just wondering what everyones ideas were on the .38. I have a great shooting model 10 with a 6 inch tube. At 25 yards I can put all six in a 3 inch circle.