In the last 4 years I have bought all factory new 2 Model 642's, 1 Model 325PD, 1 Model 21-4 Classic, 1 Model 22-4 Classic, and 1 Model 14-8 Classic. All have been very good guns with the Model 14-8 being the most accurate handgun I've owned in 39 years. All these guns were IL and MIM equipped and trouble free. I like both old and new guns after all without new guns there wouldnt be any old guns. This last Tuesday I put a new Model 17 Classic on layaway for my birthday but I think I'm going to have to pick it up before 8 weeks.