How about a 170 grain #358429 SWC in .38 +P brass with 12.5 grains of 2400. Make that out of air dropped wheel weights and it should be an attention getter. Or 152 grain #358156 HP and 12.5 grains seated in the lower crimp groove in .38 +P brass or 13.0 grains of 2400 in .357 brass seated in the top crimp groove.

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