I've got several 870 riot guns and one S&W 3000 riot gun. Sitting across the room you can't tell them apart, except for the front stock. I've hunted with 870's all my life and shooting the 3000 is not much different. I'm not much into the mechanics of the two and haven't used the 3000 enough to form an opinion on which is better. I got the 3000 because it was there, I like riot guns, and I didn't have one. There is no logo on my riot 3000 stock even though ther is on on the rubber butt plate. I got a chance to see some of the new Smith shotguns that are made in Turkey. They appear high quality but I wouldn't pay what they are asking for them.