I was having a difficult time at 50 yards with my 9L under time pressure in a training class I was taking. It occured to me that the gun might not be grouping well at that distance. I took some WWB 115 to the range as well as some Federal HST 147 JHP. Rested on a bag at 50 yards the group went from roughly 14 inches with the 115's to roughly 6 inches with the 147 JHP's. This gun has between 10,000 and 15,000 through it. YMMV