Some threads don't die, they just fade away... and come back.

The thing I don't get is, all this talk about .38 S&W and so little talk about the .38-200 and the later 180 grain bullet and loads developed by the British to get a tumble effect. As far as under powered handgun rounds go, the big stupid slow rounds the British army used had one of the best track records of them all. If one had to use a .38 S&W for self defense, or chose it out of want, why not use the caliber's best loading? Lyman makes a mold for the 200 grainer, and if you reload, you could replicate it.

The .380 has an advantage in piercing solid barriers, like a car window in a car jacking self defense situation, but non expanding bullet to non expanding bullet, I think the .38 actually has the advantage otherwise.