This blog started with BadJuiJui mentioning his initial experiences with his SARB6 and his SD9VE. Coincidently I've got one of each and I find them both excellent pistols. I got lucky and bought my SARB6 new for $210+$40(s&h), just before the recent December panic rush. While the SARB6 is a DA/SA; it's DA is butter smooth and the SA breaks at a nice 3.5lbs. Of all the pistols & revolvers I own, I'd take the SARB6 if I was going to shoot a serious precision match. For the action type shoots, I now lean toward the SD9VE since I added a trigger spring kit and Trueglo sights. I don't recall the trigger kit brand, but it cost just over $20 on Ebay and works great. The trigger still has the long travel & reset, but is much smoother and somewhat lighter now. I've also found that any of the older Sigma series mags fit perfectly without trimming; unlike reports by some SD9VE owners. Go Figure!??! ;-)
SD9VE vs. Sar B6P 9mm compact
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I was just checking Gun Genie, and they do have the SAR B6 pistols in stock (FS and compact) and they are reasonably priced...maybe a little higher than local shops, but GG provides an excellent lifetime warranty, so that is worth a few dollars extra, IMO, for a gun that doesn't have a lifetime warranty from the manufacturer. They also have magazines in stock...I'm really tempted to give the SAR B6 Compact a try.
Trenchcoat Vampire
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I almost got an EAA Witness, it was on my short list along the Sig 2022 in Feb when I grabbed my SD9.
I had a SP2022 in 9mm, and it was a good gun...very comfortable grip, and at the time, reasonably priced. IIRC I paid $379 for mine, a couple of years ago, NIB, and mine had night sights (but only one mag.) The prices on them have gone up now (what hasn't?) and they aren't quite the value they once were...but still a heck of a lot cheaper than the metal SIGs. The one thing I didn't like was the take down...pushing in that pin was painful! I had to use the end of a punch or end of a screw driver...why they had to make it a hollow end and sharp I'll never know. Plus, mags for them are expensive (but then, all mags are expensive these days, it seems.) All in all, a good gun, these minor quibbles aside.
I've never owned anything made by EAA.
Buckeye63
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I really looked close at the SAR while shopping for a new 9mm, I was looking for a lesser expensive pistol...I also was looking at a S&W SD9VE.. having owned a few Sigma's and a SD40 in the past ..i went the SD9VE route..I always had great luck with the Sigma in the past...I most likely order a trigger kit for the SD...I shoot alot of revolvers and shoot them quite a bit DAO ..so I'm used to the longer trigger pull ( I have a Ruger P90 that has spoiled me to a extent)
I have the full sized B6P. The slide rides inside the frame like all other CZ75 clones. This feature along with the DA/SA trigger add to the guns inherent accuracy. Magazine availability is not a problem. I have several MecGar CZ75 magazines that work perfectly in this pistol.I don't have an SD9 but I do have a 9mm Sigma.
TriumphMan
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I just purchased my wife an EAA. It is the Witness Pavona 9mm and you're right, it doesn't compare to the Sd9ve models.
One reason is the SDVE is a double action only while the EAA/SAR are DA/SA. They also have a safety lever to deal with.
By pulling back the hammer of one of these models, it takes 1/2 to 3/4 weight off the trigger and trigger slack, from firing them.
If you do the EAA in DA mode, the pull length and weight is comparable.
The EAA is a knockoff of the CZ75 and made by Tangolio(Italy) while the SAR is a knockoff of the EAA and from Turkey and a bit cheaper.
Both well made guns with the SAR being cheaper.
I got lots of info off the CZ Clone Club and Gun Reviews by women(Beauty and Brawn with the EAA Witness Pavona) and other sites, before getting Wife a new gun that was easier to operate slide and on her arthritis.
One reason is the SDVE is a double action only while the EAA/SAR are DA/SA. They also have a safety lever to deal with.
By pulling back the hammer of one of these models, it takes 1/2 to 3/4 weight off the trigger and trigger slack, from firing them.
If you do the EAA in DA mode, the pull length and weight is comparable.
The EAA is a knockoff of the CZ75 and made by Tangolio(Italy) while the SAR is a knockoff of the EAA and from Turkey and a bit cheaper.
Both well made guns with the SAR being cheaper.
I got lots of info off the CZ Clone Club and Gun Reviews by women(Beauty and Brawn with the EAA Witness Pavona) and other sites, before getting Wife a new gun that was easier to operate slide and on her arthritis.
RJJ 1971
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Thanks for helping the OP out with the explanation of 'clip'
vs 'magazine'.
Those other terms sound cool!
So, is "FTF" failure to feed, or failure to fire?
Is "FTE" failure to extract, or failure to eject?
Does your Mosin really use an en bloc clip? How many
import lines has EAA thrown under the bus over the
years?
I friend of mine is trying to sell his Mini Cooper on Craigslist and was complaining about all the scammers who where texting him offers for his car and he didn't trust using that for selling anything. I told him I had bought and sold many times on Craigslist and didn't have problems because I didn't text and insisted on talking to the people. I didn't spend 31+ years handling fraud claims without learning how to judge people by the sound of their voice and their actions. Texting is like computer forums in that you can't judge the person making the post and it leads to fraud and misunderstandings.
Buckeye63
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S&W SD series is what it is .. The trigger is what it is.. The SD series trigger leans toward safety and self defense ... I have grown accoustomed to so different triggers over the years .. squeeze trigger , dont pull .. helps alot .. check your hand (hands) placement .. check your stance .. practice .. A person would be suprised what accuracy ,you, are capable of ...
I think using the SD9, with its longish trigger, much like a revolver, makes you better at shooting other triggers.
I like my SD9 a lot, and trust it as a self-defense pistol. (My after-market recoil spring assembly is now gone, and a new S&W factory recoil spring assembly installed). But there is no doubt the traditional double action (TDA), also called a DA/SA, is easier to shoot well in single-action mode (it should be about the same in the first shot, DA, mode). The argument that striker-fired pistol adherents use is this: every trigger pull is the same with a striker-fired pistol; you learn that, and you are good to go; whereas, with TDA, the first one is long, and the follow-ons are very light, so you have to learn two trigger strokes; and it is real easy to let the second shot go unintentionally since it is so light compared to the first long trigger pull.
But the real reason we have striker-fired pistols is that they are just a whole lot cheaper to build, so the companies prefer to make them!
The CZ family of pistols and their clones -- all of which are nominally spun off from the Browning Hi-power, although most have better triggers than the old Browning P-35 -- are pretty good guns. To me, the top dog there is the CZ-75D, with a decocker and no safety. I really prefer a pistol with a decocker (my P239 and my 3d Gen S&Ws) over a striker-fired pistols, because of that whole re-holstering thing (and "Glock Foot" or "Glock Butt"). That, and my objections to very light triggers in striker-fired pistols, in another whole story. But no doubt the SAR and other Turkish knock-offs from the CZ-75 pistols are a pretty good bargain, with a few limitations as noted above.
I like my SD9 a lot, and trust it as a self-defense pistol. (My after-market recoil spring assembly is now gone, and a new S&W factory recoil spring assembly installed). But there is no doubt the traditional double action (TDA), also called a DA/SA, is easier to shoot well in single-action mode (it should be about the same in the first shot, DA, mode). The argument that striker-fired pistol adherents use is this: every trigger pull is the same with a striker-fired pistol; you learn that, and you are good to go; whereas, with TDA, the first one is long, and the follow-ons are very light, so you have to learn two trigger strokes; and it is real easy to let the second shot go unintentionally since it is so light compared to the first long trigger pull.
But the real reason we have striker-fired pistols is that they are just a whole lot cheaper to build, so the companies prefer to make them!
The CZ family of pistols and their clones -- all of which are nominally spun off from the Browning Hi-power, although most have better triggers than the old Browning P-35 -- are pretty good guns. To me, the top dog there is the CZ-75D, with a decocker and no safety. I really prefer a pistol with a decocker (my P239 and my 3d Gen S&Ws) over a striker-fired pistols, because of that whole re-holstering thing (and "Glock Foot" or "Glock Butt"). That, and my objections to very light triggers in striker-fired pistols, in another whole story. But no doubt the SAR and other Turkish knock-offs from the CZ-75 pistols are a pretty good bargain, with a few limitations as noted above.
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I own the SAR b6p compact, and have had no complaint from it yet, it's a well made pistol for the money. I still want and plan to purchase a sd9 from Academy Sports. I hope the sd9 does as well as the Sar does.
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I own the Tri Star C100 which is almost the exact duplicate of the B6P. I also own a SD9VE. The SD9VE WAS my favorite pistol till I bought the C100. I debated on the C100 or the B6P and choose the C100 because I like that it is an all metal firearm and uses Mec-Gar CZ compact mags that are only $19.99 (reg sales of $2.00 off) from Midway USA.
