Lightweight 1911s/Commanders

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Hey, Kaas:

Here's my 1963 vintage Colt Commander in .38 Super. It is a lightweight, but at that time the lightweight was simple called the Commander. I don't think there was a steel model originally. Later,M when they added the steel model, it was called the Combat Commander.



Anyway, I may not be as up on Colts as I should be, but I love this little guy. Antoher caliber to reload for. I use 9mm bullets, so that cuts down on different components to stock. Works flawlessly, and very moderate recoil.

I would suggest an original Colt, although there are many nice copies out there. I own a Kimber Ultra CDP II in .45, and it is a nice firearm, but it isn't a Colt. Everyone should have at least one Colt 1911 type gun.

Best Regards, Les
 
I have a new colt lite commander in 45. It shoots great. The only problem I've had is with the magazines. Bought some Wilson combat mags n it functions flawlessly and very accurate. The mag problem is if I load 8 in a factory mag it jams on last round but the Wilson mags work perfectly. Not bad recoil. But it's the only 1911 I have. But a very nice gun. Shoots anything I feed it.
 
My preference in a non-carry handgun - especially a 1911, is all stainless steel. The added weight helps absorb the recoil of the 45 acp round, and...just feels soooo good in my hand. :)

Even J-frames should be steel (Chiefs Special)

The advice on getting a Browning Hi-Power is "spot on" as well! :D
 

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In 1957 I bought a Colt Commander in 45 ACP. 1500 rounds of GI hardball later and it rattled like a bucket of bolts. If Colt later made the alloy more durable they sure haven't publicized it.
 
Here we are on a S&W forum and no one has mentioned the S&W 1911 Sc Commander....What a great 1911!

Mine is VERY accurate and feeds any .45 ACP I put into it.

Gets MY vote and is VERY light to carry!

Randy
 
Getting a 1911 is only the right thing to do. If you're only going to get one, get the 5" all steel model. That's the way it was designed and built. Everything else is a compromise.

For reliability and durability, I'd put the 1911 up against any gun on the market today.

If you just had to get a smaller one, the 4 1/4" barrel is as short as I'd go. Once you get shorter than that, the reliability starts to drop off dramatically. That's just the nature of the design.

I wouldn't get an aluminum frame. Aluminum is neither as durable nor as resilient as steel. It's heavier and less resilient than polymer. So, I'll not be buying any aluminum framed guns. That's just my take on it.

People complain about the weight of the 1911 all the time. Pansies! It's not significantly heavier than other guns of the same capabilities. Also, most of those that complain about it don't have the right belt. I carry a steel frame Commander all the time and I barely notice the weight. But I have the right holster and belt.

Don't go cheap when looking for a 1911. The least expensive 1911 I'll recommend is the Springfield Armory Loaded. It can be had for about $875 if you look. It has everything you need and nothing you don't. Up the ladder just a bit is the S&W E Series. These are sleeper guns in my opinion. They are easily as nice as guns costing hundreds more. I hear good things about the Ruger and RIA, but they're not as nice as the S&W or SA.

There are better guns out there, but I don't recommend getting one of those first. If you do, you'll never really appreciate the value and quality of a truly fine 1911.

This one is mine:
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There are more expensive 1911s out there, but none better.
 
Aluminum may not be as durable or resilient as steel, but if you have no plans on running several hundred rounds a week through it as a competition gun, it's durable and resilient enough. This is borne out by about 60 years of history in the hands of owners.
I dealt with my few objections by sending the frame to Ron Mahovsky for a Metalife treatment and the slide to Novak's for their classic Lo-Mount 3 dot sights. Other parts I installed myself. The stocks are ebony from the old Art Jewel company. I have owned this one for about 30 years, I shoot a box or two of hardball a year through it and don't expect that I'll wear it out or crack the frame.
 

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I agree Walter. It does depend on use. When it comes to a defensive gun, it should be shot a lot. That doesn't mean an aluminum frame gun should be discounted out of hand. Shoot it until it wears out. I'm sure that will outlast most people.
 
my s&w sc1911 commander is a joy to shoot and it does verywell.
 

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I have a Series 80 LW Commander (dislike that name, but that's what C*** was calling them by that time). Liked it enough to put a Bar-Sto barrel in it. One ****-hot gun, but my slightly reduced capabilities at old age make its accuracy not as obvious. Also, in a Milt Sparks Summer Special, a 5" gun is more comfortable than a 4.25". Obviously, this is a personal issue, not applicable to everyone. Mitch Rosen belt holster answers the question.

I have no idea how long it will last; it's probably thinking the same thing about me. Great gun for now.
 
I just wished somebody wound make an aluminum framed Government Model, which wouldn't be much heavier, but still have the sight radius and velocity advantage of the 5" barrel.

Colt did, and I have one. XSE Lightweight Government Model .45.
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I could do without the FCS and threw away the ambi safety.
But it's a wonderfully accurate sweet shooting 45.
Unfortunately, they went in Colt's (latest) bankruptcy.
 
My experience with my Colt Combat Commander didn't start out very well. I purchased my steel framed Commander new in the late 70's. It literally would not keep all the shots on the paper at 7 yards no matter who fired it. Most inaccurate handgun I ever owned. The machining on the frame rails looked horrible with all kinds of lumps and chatter marks. I gave it to a friend of mine who been an armorer in the army to see what he could do with it. He said he thought either the tooling was damaged or worn out when my frame was machined. He said the crappy machine work wasn't allowing the slide to lock up consistently and that was causing the poor accuracy.

He worked on the frame, flattening out the lumps in the rails and smoothing everything out and returned it to me with the frame rails packed with polishing compound. He told me to put a couple of hundred rounds through it then take it apart and clean out all the compound. The difference it made was like night and day. I am no pistol shot but I could now hold a 2-3 inch group with it.

Unfortunately I didn't have a whole lot of luck with it after that either. The slide stop broke on one occasion and the extractor snapped on another. This pistol is from the era where Colt wasn't known for putting out a quality product. We purchased our father a new Colt Gold Cup National Match pistol for Christmas one year and that one turned out to be a dud also. I still have the Commander and still shoot it occasionally but the experience soured me on Colt for a while.
 
There are more 4" alloy frame 1911s offered now than there were 66 years ago. If they were as bad as all the "stories" seem to indicate I doubt they would have lasted this long, and more being introduced every day it seems.
 
There are more 4" alloy frame 1911s offered now than there were 66 years ago. If they were as bad as all the "stories" seem to indicate I doubt they would have lasted this long, and more being introduced every day it seems.
Manufacturers will always build what the people want. That doesn't mean those products are good. People buy garbage guns every day because they are cheap or small or light or whatever. These same people rarely put operational functionality at the top of their list.

They then put three magazines of ammo through their gun and declare, "I've never had a single malfunction." I'm skeptical.

If you want a short barreled gun, get one that was designed from the ground up with a short barrel. The M&P Shield is a good example. The 1911 design was adapted to the short barrel. It was designed to have a 5" barrel. I'll put a 5" 1911 up against any pistol in the world when it comes to reliability. 1911s with shorter barrels, not so much.
 
I appreciate the references given above about the lightweight Government Model 1911s. However, for the climate that I reside in, a stainless steel slide is a necessity.

I've also read above about the unreliability of shorter barreled 1911s. All I can say is that in forty plus years of shooting Commander length 1911s, that I've never had a reliability problem with any that wasn't ammo related. In the early years, most 1911s of any barrel length would not feed hollowpoint ammo without feed ramp modifications. Otherwise, all the Commander length 1911s that I have become acquainted with have been utterly reliable. Once reliability has been established with any auto loader I use, I have no qualms about carrying a Commander that has met this standard, as well and any other type of auto loader. I trusted my life to an old satin finished Combat Commander that I carried many, many miles in a patrol car. I've heard and read of reliability issues with the "shorter" 1911s, but my experience had been that the opposite holds true. Yes, I use and enjoy Government Model 1911s, but I love my Commanders, lightweight or Combat, and I'll feel just as secure knowing one is on my hip.
 

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