To me, they've never recovered from the slam-fire fiasco a couple of years back, may have been longer ago. You had to inspect the grip safety, and if it had the proper hole in it the pistol was sorta-kinda safe to use. I guess they're popular with some people - but I'll never own one. Their advertising hype reminds me of the hype for the latest FN 9mm. One more blocky over-sized pistol trying to compete with Glock - I guess I just don't understand what process their marketing types go through before they jump into expensive projects like this...