We tested the Winchester .38 +p LSW-HP load that they local sheriffs office was issuing back in '91 or '92 and it would not shoot through the doors nor the tailgate of a wrecked Ford pickup that someone donated us parts of for testing against. We shot those, .45 acp 230 Federal Hyrda shock, and Remington .357 mag 125 SJHP. The .357 was the only one that reliably shot holes through everything with energy to spare.