Thanks for the reply, It was older ammo but I will state it wasn't that wimpy feeling. I shot the same ammo in something else and the group was satisfactory. 2 handed and I felt in control, I traded a Ruger LC9s so there is not much difference in size. Thanks for the reply, any help appreciated. I haven't had a new S&W since I bought a M19 back in the early 70s

Best,
Rob