I load to to the 3.5 Bullseye for the wife, either 125 or 158 copper plated. In 357 for me I'll load 4.0 of promo/reddot these are target loads. For stouter 357 loads I'll do 5.0 still nice to shoot. For real 357, 2400 or bluedot. These are in Ruger GP100s