Just re-reading this thread. I dearly miss Leiden and 18DAI talking about their lives of service. Leiden got my sold on a 4516 many years ago (still have it) and 18DAI was one of the folks who helped me out with my Recon 45. If you want to read some good stuff, and love S&W .45 pistols, go back and read these guys’ posts over the years. Hard to beat