It is interesting to me, to hear folks praising Kramer holsters. I lived in western Washinton state, for 33 years. My residence was about 26 miles from Kramer's, and I would pass by their neighborhood, daily. For twelve years I went to Washington Arms Collectors gun shows. Kramer always had a couple of tables there. I never paid too much attention to them, for two reasons. One, was my focus was always on guns. Two, their tables were always piled high with holsters in no particular order. They appeared to be used, and like they were just dumped by garbage can onto the tables. I guess I should have checked them out. My bad.