I am with Steelslaver. I much prefer the k frame size to the J frame and with one more round. I have posted before about owning a beautiful condition model 12-2 twice! I sold it and bought it back. I never carried it due to the anodized frames showing wear quickly and never shot it because of the cracked frame stories. I really liked the size and feel. I think Lipsey's may be listening and have additional plans along the lines of what they have just done with the 442/642, 432/642UC guns.