What is really at stake here?

[Buffalohunter60]

I have read a lot of history about brutal governments and how the civilan population was treated from Vietnam to Sierra leone. When civilans were recruited for brutal dictators they used tactics that most of us would find almost unbelievable. In Sierra Leone, the West Side Boys would come into a village and make children shoot their parents and then the children were brutailzed and tramitized and forced into their army. Daughters were raped infront of their parents and then killed or "married" by the thugs. Hands and limbes were cut off of civilans...just to terrorize them.
In Vietnam the VC would come into a village and brutally kill the village chief..then take the young men and force them into their Army...they did many brutal things to innocent civilans that the average US citizen can not imagine.
How do these brutal regimes get away with this? Its very simple....the population do not have the means to defend themselves. They have no arms or ammo and they are victims of the brutal slaughter of these sick sub human beings.
This will never happen in the US.....as long as we have the ability to stand up to thugs, criminals and those that would harm our family. Picture someone coming into your home and rapeing your wife, daughter....and yes son...age means nothing to them. Gentlemen...there are things that can happen to you that are far worse than death...and that is seeing the ones you love brutalized. If anyone has the time...read the book Operation Certain Death...(by Damien Lewis)..it is an eye opener as to what can happen to a defenceless population. I would like to believe it could never happen here.....I am sure the people of Germany could not picture what Hitler did to their country and how brutal he and his supporters were.
This is more than just losing our guns...its about losing our very freedom and our way of life and becoming defenceless sheep. I will keep my semi-auto Ar-15's and high capicity magazines. I have never threatened or harmed another person and I have no intention of ever doing that. I also have no intention of letting anyone harm my family and the ones I care about. Loss of freedom and the ability to defend yourself and more importantly your loved ones against brutality is far more important to me than my life on this earth. An armed population will never have to face a situtation like Rewanda or Sierra Leone....where the UN could not and would not protect the villages from brutality.
We are in a battle for our very freedom and the American way of life. We have millions of freedom loving citizens on our side that can not be disarmed by anyone......we have the largest armed citizen army in the world. Giving up our guns will not stop the mentally unbalanced from killing innocent children in a school (we do have the ability to stop that also) but it can lead to a situtation such as germany experienced in WW2, or Rewanda, or Sierra Leone and there are so many more that I could mention...the danger is real. We need to support the NRA and band together like the a band of brothers with a very strong voice. We are not the enemy of anyone....but the thugs that would control us with terror and brutality if they ever get the opportunity. We need to stand firm as a rock and our rights are not negotiable. "Not to be infringed" means just that...we need to be as well armed as any dictator or thug that thinks they can control us. The founding fathers wrote the second ammendment for a very good reason.

[coach57]

"What is really at stake here"

Not to be flippant, but the answer is EVERYTHING

[Buffalohunter60]

Originally Posted by coach57

"What is really at stake here"

Not to be flippant, but the answer is EVERYTHING

No offence taken....but so many people here in the US have lived such a sheltered life that many have no idea what goes on in other countries....even today...brutality is alive an well. Many do not realize that it could happen here if the right conditions happen, we are not immune. Yes...."everything" that this country stands for is at stake. The one thing all brutal governments have in common ....is an an unarmed population. This country is pretty stable because we are armed...then news as you well know does not print the crime that was stopped by an armed citizen or the lives saved. There are many more lives saved by armed citizens than are lost to criminal action, but thats not news anyone seems to want to print. I am sure many Vetrens here have seen the brutality and what can happen to an unarmed population...Afghanistan and what the Taliban have done to innocent civilans is just one example....burning schools, killing teachers, trying recently to murder a 14 year old girl because she had the courage to denounce their brutality. Not many Americans have seen what can happen to a society that is defenceless...it scares the hell out of me. As bad as the carnage that happened at Sandy Hook.......thats a minor incident in many countries and not even news worthy....don't get me wrong...I am appaled by what that man did to innocent children and my heart goes out to the famlies that suffered such a terrible loss. With an unarmed society...that could be an everyday affair....and much worse happens on a daily basis in this world....because the people can not defend themselves.

[Damocles]

I'm about to go to bed, so this will be short. But we supposedly live in a *free* society (relative term). There is a price to live in that society where you are born with rights that are alien to many parts of this planet. A lot of people have paid the ultimate price for us to enjoy our freedom and rights. Someday, some of us may be called upon to defend our liberty and freedoms. If we capitulate, roll over and give in for the sake of a supposed peace, then perhaps we don't deserve those freedoms. You can fight with words, politics, letters, strongly worded letters and emails, etc.... You can fight by passive non-compliance and hopefully that will be enough. If not then we will have to fight even harder. But we must never give in. I don't plan on complying, and if we all took that route, then I don't think that they have the resources to make us all give in. No way, the 2nd Amendment was important enough to be #2, and the language is very specific. The founders were brilliant in their choice of language.

[Buffalohunter60]

Originally Posted by Damocles

I'm about to go to bed, so this will be short. But we supposedly live in a *free* society (relative term). There is a price to live in that society where you are born with rights that are alien to many parts of this planet. A lot of people have paid the ultimate price for us to enjoy our freedom and rights. Someday, some of us may be called upon to defend our liberty and freedoms. If we capitulate, roll over and give in for the sake of a supposed peace, then perhaps we don't deserve those freedoms. You can fight with words, politics, letters, strongly worded letters and emails, etc.... You can fight by passive non-compliance and hopefully that will be enough. If not then we will have to fight even harder. But we must never give in. I don't plan on complying, and if we all took that route, then I don't think that they have the resources to make us all give in. No way, the 2nd Amendment was important enough to be #2, and the language is very specific. The founders were brilliant in their choice of language.

I am with you brother....my sentiments exackly....They can not take what we will not give. I refuse to surrender my freedom....anything less is unacceptable. lets hope it does not come to it....but if it does, we need to have the courage to stand up for what we believe in...or we stand for nothing at all.

[juddgl]

The anti-gun groups love the victims for their own gain, While the pro-gun groups refuse to be a victim and then get raked over the coals for being crazed people that want to kill everyone. We as citizens of the United States of America pledge allegiance to our glorious flag everyday. But do we know what the words say and what they mean? Look back at all the country's that gave up their guns and their Govt. mowed them down by the millions. Just ask the Jewish people living in the U.S.A. today and you will get the real story of Germany when Hitler took their guns. The wind before the storm is already blowing. I think most of us gun toters are ready for the coming storm. It will be a shame when we don't have the resources for all the anti-gun people to be fed, clothed and armed. Most if not all will end up in our newest FEMA Camps and suffer greatly for years. Everyone, friend or foe, needs to keep the 2nd amendment alive and untouched. I'm not saying this will happen, but I'm not saying it won't. The path we are on now will put it to the test very quickly!! Just my rambling thoughts. See attached storm below.

[Damocles]

Originally Posted by Buffalohunter60

I am with you brother....my sentiments exackly....They can not take what we will not give. I refuse to surrender my freedom....anything less is unacceptable. lets hope it does not come to it....but if it does, we need to have the courage to stand up for what we believe in...or we stand for nothing at all.

Well said my friend.

[coach57]

Originally Posted by Buffalohunter60

No offence taken....but so many people here in the US have lived such a sheltered life that many have no idea what goes on in other countries....even today...brutality is alive an well. Many do not realize that it could happen here if the right conditions happen, we are not immune. Yes...."everything" that this country stands for is at stake. The one thing all brutal governments have in common ....is an an unarmed population. This country is pretty stable because we are armed...then news as you well know does not print the crime that was stopped by an armed citizen or the lives saved. There are many more lives saved by armed citizens than are lost to criminal action, but thats not news anyone seems to want to print. I am sure many Vetrens here have seen the brutality and what can happen to an unarmed population...Afghanistan and what the Taliban have done to innocent civilans is just one example....burning schools, killing teachers, trying recently to murder a 14 year old girl because she had the courage to denounce their brutality. Not many Americans have seen what can happen to a society that is defenceless...it scares the hell out of me. As bad as the carnage that happened at Sandy Hook.......thats a minor incident in many countries and not even news worthy....don't get me wrong...I am appaled by what that man did to innocent children and my heart goes out to the famlies that suffered such a terrible loss. With an unarmed society...that could be an everyday affair....and much worse happens on a daily basis in this world....because the people can not defend themselves.

I agree and appreciate your thoughts.

[nipster]

Originally Posted by Damocles

I'm about to go to bed, so this will be short. But we supposedly live in a *free* society (relative term). There is a price to live in that society where you are born with rights that are alien to many parts of this planet.

That's right. And part of living in a free society is people are going to die.

Sometimes people are going to die.

Sometimes children are going to die.

Sometimes women are going to die.

It's just how it is. Just because a few kids die because of a single irresponsible person, it should not impact the rest of us.

Sorry if this sounds cold, but that's how it is in a free society. If freedom is important to you, it should not matter that a few people die every once in a while.

[drhenzler]

Sure, you can take my gun... out of my cold bloody hands!

[Joewisc]

this says it all: A must watch for all who believe in the right of self-defense
Innocents Betrayed - YouTube

[Travis15R]

^^^^^^ I watched that the other day, very good video. We cannot have the mind set that just b/c this is the United States that this could never happen here. There is so much under handed, dirty, back deal, lies and cover ups from this current government that I would not put anything past them at this point.

[Buffalohunter60]

Joe...thanks for posting the video....America needs to wake up and stand up for freedom one more time. Freedom has never been free and death is not the worst thing you can face in this life time. We can not give an inch in this comming battle for our very freedom and we all need to remember just who it is trying to take away our freedom and work to remove them from office. If we do not have freedom....we have less than nothing and are at the mercy of crooked politicions. Never relinguish your Freedom.

[Joewisc]

this is a test. trouble posting.

[Travis15R]

I have both my senators phone numbers for their DC office in my phone and I will be calling them every chance I get this week and thereafter.