15 Round mags gets final ok in Colorado House

[tchorn74]

And another state one the verge of going down.

15-round magazine ammo limit gets final OK in Colorado House - The Denver Post

[10ring]

Originally Posted by tchorn74

And another state one the verge of going down.

15-round magazine ammo limit gets final OK in Colorado House - The Denver Post

What a roller coaster ride it has been. For awhile I thought we had this beat, but in the end it was all politics, as usual. Some folks are trying to put together a ballot initiative to see if this can be overturned this in 2014, and there may be opportunities to challenge the law if anyone actually tries to enforce it.

Right now it is hard to feel very optimistic, and if I expressed my real feelings about this situation I would be violating a couple forum rules, so I won't say any more, but the fight will go on and hopefully we will see some changes in the makeup of the state legislature.

[manyguns]

Living here, I hate it. The margin was 1 vote in the House & 3 in the Senate.There are several vulnerable Dems in both houses. The Guv. has done himself no favors and is forced to act on more liberal garbage later in the year. Hoping we don't lose our state for good. The national laws look scary with the House acting like fools.

[sarge1967]

Sorry to hear you folks are going through this. I understand living in a stinking Liberal state myself.

So do you think Magpul will make good on their promise to relocate?

[10ring]

Originally Posted by sarge1967

Sorry to hear you folks are going through this. I understand living in a stinking Liberal state myself.

So do you think Magpul will make good on their promise to relocate?

As much as I hate to see them go, and as much as I hate to see those folks who work there lose their jobs, Magpul should follow-through on their threat and leave and I think they will, and hopefully all of their former employees, and their families and friends will remember the day the legislature and Governor chose to put party allegiance ahead of Colorado voters.

I am expecting our fine legislators to propose a name change for the state any day now....Colofornia.

[hayesxb]

I have no doubt Magpul will leave. We will defeat this in the next election. Hickenlooper said that this vote will not put his job at risk, we need to prove him wrong. You represent the people, not control them, Hickenlooper.

Just to add insult to injury, read this article

[Waywatcher]

Originally Posted by bobermo

I applaud them for their public fight and no compromise.

Compromise is a good thing, and should be praised. Finding common ground to agree with someone is important, necessary and good. Compromise inherently involves give and take; but in this case the other side never gave, the discussion revolved around how much they were going to take.

That being said, this bill was never about compromise; it was about "how much of our lunch money the schoolyard bully was going to take."

[hayesxb]

Originally Posted by Waywatcher

Compromise is a good thing, and should be praised. Finding common ground to agree with someone is important, necessary and good. Compromise inherently involves give and take; but in this case the other side never gave, the discussion revolved around how much they were going to take.

That being said, this bill was never about compromise; it was about "how much of our lunch money the schoolyard bully was going to take."

There is a time to compromise and a time to fight. The founding fathers knew they couldn't compromise with their tyrannical government, and it is not time to compromise with ours. The only thing the left understands more than their own agenda (or at least as much) is money. Magpul will leave, millions of dollars in taxes will be lost and the left will have to own up to the jobs they demolished.

[hayesxb]

Originally Posted by bobermo

I suppose Colorado politicians were willing to compromise by allowing Magpul to continue manufacturing high (standard) capacity 30 round magazine for sale in other states, providing they are not sold to Colorado citizens. I suppose CO politicians feel it's okay to sell these mass murder killing magazine to citizens in other states, but not to Colorado citizens. That my friend is true hypocrisy.

So, did they add the amendment into the bill that allows for the manufacture of 15+ round magazines? I remember reading it was not in the original bill, but was to be added before the vote.

They did add the amendment that says they can manufacture anything, but we can't own them. They were trying to keep Magpul in CO to keep the money. Magpul said they won't stay in, and benefit, a state that won't allow it's citizens to use a product they manufacture.

[sarge1967]

Well Magpul had better make good on their promise. If they don't I assure you they will suffer big time in the shooting community. We tend to expect people to keep their word. We are old fashioned like that.

[Harrison]

The only 15 rd. rifle magazines I know of are some of the old M1 carbine mags from WW2.

[VMaxSplat]

My hope is that, at a minimum, there will be mass noncompliance, recalls, and a surge in grassroots involvement in the next election. Shall not be infringed means exactly what it says. Screw the leftists that are trying to trample our Constitution in direct violation of their sworn oaths.

[VMaxSplat]

Looks like the non-compliance is beginning with this group of patriots, county sheriffs... Colorado sheriff says new state gun laws won't be enforced | Fox News

[10ring]

Originally Posted by hayesxb

I have no doubt Magpul will leave. We will defeat this in the next election. Hickenlooper said that this vote will not put his job at risk, we need to prove him wrong. You represent the people, not control them, Hickenlooper.

Just to add insult to injury, read this article

It won't put his job at risk...he is term limited. He might run for some bigger office or get some federal appointment for being a good party member, but he won't run for governor again.

[10ring]

Originally Posted by bobermo

I've read HB 1224 but it states 10 rounds, is there an amended version? It appears the bill allows for grandfathered 30 round magazines. One article states you're allowed to keep your magazines, but can't sell or transfer them. Are current owners allowed to use them as well?

If so, just imagine how many "new" magazines will be sold before the bill takes effect. This bill has done the opposite of its intention. It has placed thousand of new high capacity magazines in the hand's of CO citizens!

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/cli...le=1224_01.pdf

Yes it got amended up to 15 rounds, although anything that can be bumped over 15 rounds by one of those +2 adapters will be banned too. Those mags of any size already owned when the bill becomes law will remain legal for the current owner but cannot be transferred to anyone else in the state.

It's a stupid law that cannot be readily enforced and will only hurt the state and its citizens. It will inconvenience and annoy people like us and in the eyes of the anti gun folks it is one small step towards what they really want.

[VMaxSplat]

Originally Posted by bobermo

Those Dems aren't so smart. I guess this is a bill designed for future generations hoping they will have a complete gun ban in the next 1-2 generations.

They may not be smart, but they are very politically savvy. Over several decades, they have built a coalition of brainwashed idiots (they own public ed and the media) and the lunatic fringe (perv groups, enviro freaks, etc) that now seemingly outnumber decent working folks by a slim margin.

In the past they were known to chip away at real rights like the 2nd Amendment in an incremental fashion that allows them to keep their career seats while still advancing their real agenda. All the while, they create false drama and champion a variety of false "rights" for the brainwashed believe in. Its a diversion. They believe in divide and conquer and have successfully divided our country.

Now, emboldened by their recent (slim) victory, they wish to destroy the remainder of what made America great and destroy our traditional institutions.

Our only option is this: Get out and vote next year. Write your representatives and voice your opinion in a reasonable, concise manner. Tell everyone you know the truth about what is happening to our nation. Ask them to vote as well. If you live in a ban state, get more involved. Support recalls and volunteer to help the with the election of freedom minded replacements for the politicians who have sold us out.

[10ring]

Originally Posted by bobermo

Wait....so those who own 16+ round magazines before the bill becomes law can still use them? I didn't read anything about how many rounds can be loaded in those high capacity magazines. How the heck will they enforce this? How will they know if you already owned a mag or not regardless of mag serial # and date?

"IF A PERSON WHO IS ALLEGED TO HAVE VIOLATED SUBSECTION
24 (1) OF THIS SECTION ASSERTS THAT HE OR SHE IS PERMITTED TO LEGALLY
25 POSSESS A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH (a) OF
26 THIS SUBSECTION (2), THE PROSECUTION HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF TO
27 REFUTE THE ASSERTION."


Those Dems aren't so smart. I guess this is a bill designed for future generations hoping they will have a complete gun ban in the next 1-2 generations.

Yes, any magazine, no matter the size, that was owned in this state before the law becomes effective can continue to be possessed and used by the owner and can be loaded to its full capacity. Magazines over 15 rounds cannot be bought or sold or even given away or inherited within the state after the law is signed and becomes effective. That is why so many people in Colorado have been stocking up on mags, and even paying exorbitant prices, because what they own now they can continue to own.

Many people have also "given" various magazines to their spouses and children so those spouses and children are the lawful owners of the mags before the law is effective.

[Jack Wagon]

Smoke up Colorado! Hopefully Wickenlooper won't limit the size of your water bongs.

[digi357]

Originally Posted by sarge1967

So do you think Magpul will make good on their promise to relocate?

We have plenty of fine manufacturing spaces and hard working Americans seeking employment here in Nevada. Magpul would be a wonderful addition to AR/AK parts manufacturers and distributors that already call the Battle Born state home.

[Jack Wagon]

Originally Posted by digi357

We have plenty of fine manufacturing spaces and hard working Americans seeking employment here in Nevada. Magpul would be a wonderful addition to AR/AK parts manufacturers and distributors that already call the Battle Born state home.

Sounds like Magpul will have multiple locations across the country going forward if you believe their FB page.

[Buffalohunter60]

I would love to see them come to NH! I hope the NRA or Second Amendment Foundation challanges this in court...I would love to see them charge some of these short sighted politicions with violating their Oath of office and see them lose any pension and benifits.