House committee to propose AWB - Bill on Hold…

[ladder13]

AWB is their term, not mine.

House cmte. to take up sweeping 'assault weapons' ban bill next week | American Military News

The proposed bill bans the sale, manufacture or transfer of any of the following:

All semi-automatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one of the following military features: (1) pistol grip; (2) forward grip; (3) folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; (4) grenade launcher; (5) barrel shroud; or (6) threaded barrel.
All semi-automatic rifles that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
Bump fire stocks and any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun.
All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one of the following military features: (1) threaded barrel; (2) second pistol grip; (3) barrel shroud; (4) capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or (5) semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm
All semi-automatic shotguns that have at least one of the following (1) a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; (2) pistol grip; (3) fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; (4) ability to accept a detachable magazine; (5) forward grip; (6) grenade launcher; or (7) shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
High capacity feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rds.


The current bill language does not apply to any of the covered weapons that were lawfully possessed on or before the bill is enacted. The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, which expired in 2004, also **œgrandfathered**� covered weapons that were lawfully owned before the ban went into effect.

[Racer X]

alcohol kills WAY more people than firearms, but that would inconvenience people, so those deaths are acceptable, I assume. More kids die from peanut allergies than get killed by assault weapons, but we all need our Snickers bars, so those people are SOL. So just remember this, and ask people why alcohol and tobacco is still being sold, if the goal is to save lives.

Hypocrites bring in the money, media clicks and votes though.

But with the recent 2nd SCOTUS ruling, how can that even stand up? A basic MSR is configured similar to a military M4/M16, and is imminently suited for militia use (if they want to argue THAT angle) and they are certainly in common use. That one is slam dunk.

[tmd17]

" AWB ... shotgun with a revolving cylinder... "

Thank God we can finally rid our streets of these weapons of war!

[GypsmJim]

Originally Posted by Racer X

alcohol kills WAY more people than firearms,

We need to have a constitutional amendment to prevent the use of alcohol.

Oh wait, I forgot. Been there done that repealed it.

So, we need a constitutional amendment to prevent drug use.

Oh wait, I forgot. We are now LEGALIZING pot.

I give up.

[S-W4EVER]

Fentanyl is really thinning the herd they don’t seem to be too concerned about that.

[vipermd]

Thank You for the update. I have tried to talk to senate, & congress from my state for the last 25 years. I have sent them documented facts as to deaths from allergies, ETOH, Drugs, cars, lightning, plus others that cause more deaths then semi auto rifles. Semi auto rifles have been in public hands since the 1940's, and they do not leave the safe and go out and do damage. Considering the number of semi auto- Target, hunting, self defense weapon, the actual number of deaths is very, very low. You cannot predict if some one is going to go crazy and put 10, 5 gallon gas cans in the back of a pickup and run it into a school and throw a lit flare into it. Murder is illegal in all states, so criminals are committing the crimes. So lets do something to the criminals, not law abiding citizens. We have to stand strong against this. Governors in various states have been responsible for more Covid and Covid related deaths than any semi auto rifle, but I have not seen a ban on them. Stay Strong Be Safe,

[Telecaster]

So police and federal agencies can’t have those guns either, right?

[coltle6920]

All semi-automatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and...

All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and...//

I may be wrong but doesn't that mean that all semis would be considered illegal regardless of any addon?

I don't know of any semi that doesn't accept a detachable magazine so why not just say "any firearm capable of accepting and firing ammo of any caliber.

It will never get anywhere in Congress but that's not the point. It's that time of year where we can expect to see more of this nonsense.

[Bald1]

As outrageous as all that seems to u folks in the free states. That is very similar to NY State laws. We’ve been living with it since 2013. Funny thing is every time the highly educated elite liberals come up with a law to trample my 2A rights. Some uneducated common peasants figure out a work around. Drives those DEMS crazy.

[teletech]

Originally Posted by coltle6920

I may be wrong but doesn't that mean that all semis would be considered illegal regardless of any addon?

I don't know of any semi that doesn't accept a detachable magazine so why not just say "any firearm capable of accepting and firing ammo of any caliber.

It will never get anywhere in Congress but that's not the point. It's that time of year where we can expect to see more of this nonsense.

Broom-handle Mausers are the first non-detachable mag semiauto handgun that come to mind, The Webley-Fosbury is the second but there are a few others as well. However, the additive qualifier is of course the key to the issue.

[teletech]

Originally Posted by S-W4EVER

Fentanyl is really thinning the herd they don’t seem to be too concerned about that.

What they already passed a law about that!
I expect the utility of that law is similarly effective and I'm sure thing will get better any day now...

[johngalt]

A ban based on cosmetic features is idiotic. A pistol where the magazine is in the grip is ok, but someplace else isn't. Why?

semi auto version of a full auto is still semi auto.

Extra bling such as fore grips? It still functions the same. It's just bling.

etc.

[SquarePizza]

Originally Posted by johngalt

A pistol where the magazine is in the grip is ok, but someplace else isn't. Why?

Extra bling such as fore grips? It still functions the same. It's just bling.

etc.

This is written to bite the AR pistols with a brace or the 26" Others that people are building with braces and forward grip.

Basically anyone that found loopholes to make shorter ARs that handle like an SBR but land into a different category in order to skirt the ATF tax stamp. Those people found a way to get what they wanted and deprive the government of their taxes and now they are going to be punished for it.

If this bill passes, everyone else is going to find out what its like to live in NY. We have struggled with this BS since the [un]SafeAct

[lkabug]

I guess we will see another record breaking NICS and Form 4473 events on the horizon.

[RCL-09]

I'm all for it. We will finally see an end to drive by bayonetings and rifle launched grenadeings...

[Racer X]

Originally Posted by coltle6920

I may be wrong but doesn't that mean that all semis would be considered illegal regardless of any addon?

I don't know of any semi that doesn't accept a detachable magazine so why not just say "any firearm capable of accepting and firing ammo of any caliber.

It will never get anywhere in Congress but that's not the point. It's that time of year where we can expect to see more of this nonsense.

nope, semi-auto tube fed. numerous rimfires qualify for example. that being said, in Washington State, a Ruger 10/22 is already an assault rifle. damn Squirrel Survival Society and their lobbyists!

[Rob613]

[biku324]

They'll never take my flash hider!

[Steve K]

After the last gun control bill was passed some senators said "This is the beginning." They are right; they have a foot in the door.

[ladder13]

I’ll never get to use my grenade launcher.

[Benton Quest]

Well that covers most of the semi auto .22 rifles that are fed by a fixed magazine (albeit tubular) that exceeds 10 rounds....

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[Benton Quest]

Oh...and news flash...fore grips on handguns are already prohibited under the NFA...

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[USBP SW]

First, let me say that the AR15 has never, to my knowledge been a weapon of war. I have several "weapons of war", 1841 Mississippi Rifle, 1873 Springfield, 1903 Springfield and an M1 Garand, to name a few. I know of no conflict where combatants used a semi-automatic AR15. There is plenty of evidence for the use of select-fire M16/M4 rifles. If I were to point the accusatory finger to a responsible party for the increased use of the AR type rifles in these high profile murders, I would have to throw the mainstream media under the bus. I am all for freedom of the press, however, is it necessary to name the type of firearms used? The labels are also social misfit magnets, weapons of war, designed to kill as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time, a killing machine, far more lethal than anything else, a shoulder fired nuclear weapon. Of course now that the horse is out of the barn, you can't just close the door. So these deranged idiots, looking for a moment of notoriety, have been given an idea of how to carry out their murderous rampage.

[Telecaster]

Can I still buy that 9mm gatling gun? That’ll blow a lotta lungs in a short time.

[PALADIN85020]

PLEASE don't get me started on this. I have a very low tolerance for people who do not learn from history or even current events.

I think that the people who came up with this hare-brained idea should ask the Ukrainian people what THEY think about it.

John

[GaryS]

Just being done as part of election year hype.

[sigp220.45]

Some of you guys must not have been reading gun mags in the 80s!

Our side called them Assault Weapons until it was used against us in 1994.

Now we do the Modern Sporting Rifle and Standard Capacity nonsense.

[bushmaster1313]

Originally Posted by GaryS

Just being done as part of election year hype.

^^^ Correct
Bill is dead on arrival in the Senate
The only point in bringing this to a vote is to be able to say:

"I support/supported the AWB - My opponent does not/did not"
"This is why we need to end the filibuster."

From my perspective, the best thing 2A supporters can do to keep defeat an AWB in the courts is to buy as many new AWRs as possible so that it can be argued as a matter of fact that MSR's are in "common use" and the "favorite" rifle of the gun owning public.

[S-W4EVER]

Originally Posted by GaryS

Just being done as part of election year hype.

The ‘94 AWB cost them dearly in the following elections.

[GaryS]

Our side has finally learned about imaging, phrasing, and optics. Lessons the other side learned years ago and used against us.

Well some of have learned, oyes still think it's nonsense. Or will until their hunting rifles sit those nice scopes are reclassified as "sniper rifles."

Originally Posted by sigp220.45

Some of you guys must not have been reading gun mags in the 80s!

Our side called them Assault Weapons until it was used against us in 1994.

Now we do the Modern Sporting Rifle and Standard Capacity nonsense.

[DWalt]

I just received this NRA summary of the new gun ban bill working its way through the house now. If you have not received it already, it is attached here.
NRA-ILA | Never Enough: Congressional Democrats Ignore the Constitution and Reality to Push Futile Gun Ban

[mauser9]

That figures! if they don't like it they will ignore it.

[RCL-09]

Well, at least we see some "honesty" in that it shows that they want to ban virtually everything.

That with beto's "Hell yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47," I'm hoping this will backfire on them

[stansdds]

It never ends.

[ladder13]

We should just compromise.






<sarcasm less I get roasted>

[Valmet]

DOA and they know it. Virtue-signaling sponsor to say “they tried.” They’re going for broke as they know how the mid-terms will go.

[kbm6893]

They’re gonna keep testing the waters, but the frequency of these mass shootings in the last month or so (Buffalo, Parade Shooting, Uvalde, and the mall one this week), is ramping up to the point one of these Hail Mary’s is going to score a touchdown. My children will not enjoy gun ownership like I have.

[Racer X]

what is crazy is that if you look at the numbers, MSRs are only used in about 25% of mass shootings, and if you look at total murders, maybe a thousand a year involve "assault rifles". A ban won't make even a shallow dent. But it brings in money, clicks and votes.

Emotions should never be the driving force for laws and convictions.

[Grayfox]

The Democrats know its unconstitutional, they know it has a very small chance of passing, they know if it does pass the courts will strike it down. They don't care.
This is mostly about appearances. They need to look like they're trying to do something about crime even if they actually aren't. Its a dog and pony show to placate the masses and get them votes. Nothing more.

[robertrwalsh]

What's wrong with compromise. Peace in our time. It worked out OK for Neville Chamberlain, didn't it?

[Greyman50]

Gee, my post on “ compromise regarding sending “ certain individuals” to China or N Korea was humor, sorry if it offended anyone.
Mid terms will take care of much.

[Drm50]

As usual you can’t find any truth in the Media. What is contained in bill that is supposed to have passed the house with Rep. help?
The news is referring to it as a Ban. They don’t go into the context of Ban. I can’t believe it’s going to make ownership illegal as they are inferring.
Of course any bill would have to go through Senate also. The Media like Facebook and You Tube have been sensationalized every shooting. They are now using gang related shootings to up the body count for optics. These deaths were ignored before.
I’m afraid they are going to get votes from Republicans who think they need it for re election.
I guess there is back to SCOTUS option.

[Maddog 521]

Ban--Registration--Confiscation--

[ladder13]

Don’t think the House has the votes yet

Here’s the Bill.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...540MgDogidrUtM

[Dieseltech56]

I read it as an outright ban to transfer, own and manufacture with a magazine restriction on top. It’s political suicide right before the midterms

[five 0]

I passed out of committee and now goes to the House floor.

[BB57]

My understanding is that the bill seeks to prohibit the sale, manufacture, transfer or import of:

- all semi-automatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have a pistol grip; a forward grip; a folding, telescoping or detachable stock; a grenade launcher; a barrel shroud; or a threaded barrel; (basically the same “evil feature” language from the 1994 AWB).

- semi-automatic rifles with fixed magazines that can fit more than 10 rounds (this seems to be designed to close the fixed magazine loophole used in CA);

- bump-fire stocks (this seems to be in anticipation of Supreme Court ruling against the bump stock ban, or of greater concern, preventing the Supreme Court form ruling in that case, which would have domino effects in other ATF rulings);

- high-capacity feeding devices that can hold more than 10 rounds (I’m not sure how that’s defined but I’m guessing belt fed semi autos would be illegal); and

- semi-automatic shotguns with specific evil features features.

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The “ban” would not ban possession as they would allow a grandfather clause for existing weapons but I am not reassured by that.

The bill contains language requiring all future high capacity magazines be marked with manufacture date - sort of like the “Law Enforcement Only” provision of years past - to try to address enforcement of the ban on new high capacity magazines.

But enforcement will still be impossible. They’ll use it as justification to ban all private sales and require all transfers go through an FFL (rather than just mandating an NICS check).

But that won’t prevent under the table sales by existing owners, so they’ll use it as a justification for registration of all firearms and magazines subject to the ban.

Then of course they’ll use it as justification for ATF agents to make unannounced visits to verify that all applicable weapons in your possession are registered and that all of those weapons you have registered are in your possession.

It’ll also then open the door to requiring liability insurance, which is just back door gun control by way of making them prohibitively expensive to own.

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There is also the problem of those grandfathered firearms being non transferable and thus both losing all their monetary value, and then eventually having to be turned in for destruction when the owner dies.

Regardless of how it is sold to the public, it’s going to be “just the first step” in eventually confiscating and destroying all of them within a generation.

[BB57]

Originally Posted by Dieseltech56

I read it as an outright ban to transfer, own and manufacture with a magazine restriction on top. It’s political suicide right before the midterms

It allows current owners a grandfather clause for possession, but per my post above that’s ultimately a distinction without a difference.

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I agree completely that’s it’s also political suicide before the mid terms.

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On NPR this afternoon a shark expert was addressing the shark attacks on the east coast and the media fueled fear mongering. He clearly stated the risk was incredibly low as sharks are around you anytime, you are in the water and virtually always leave you alone.

With around 20 million “assault rifles” in the US and only handful of deaths where an “assault rifle” was used - by one or two of the 10 million plus owners of “assault rifles” it’s exactly the same, situation.

And ironically another NPR segment had a guy talking about people “right to not be afraid their children would be shot in school”. Given the .093 per 100,000 rate for deaths in school shootings in the 2021-22 school year (and still only .269 per 100,000 of you count persons wounded), it’s clearly the same type of media field fear mongering.


Common sense and critical thinking are the truly endangered species in this country.

[Racer X]

Originally Posted by BB57

It allows current owners a grandfather clause for possession, but per my post above that’s ultimately a distinction without a difference.

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I agree completely that’s it’s also political suicide before the mid terms.

——

On NPR this afternoon a shark expert was addressing the shark attacks on the east coast and the media fueled fear mongering. He clearly stated the risk was incredibly low as sharks are around you anytime, you are in the water and virtually always leave you alone.

With around 20 million “assault rifles” in the US and only handful of deaths where an “assault rifle” was used - by one or two of the 10 million plus owners of “assault rifles” it’s exactly the same, situation.

And ironically another NPR segment had a guy talking about people “right to not be afraid their children would be shot in school”. Given the .093 per 100,000 rate for deaths in school shootings in the 2021-22 school year (and still only .269 per 100,000 of you count persons wounded), it’s clearly the same type of media field fear mongering.


Common sense and critical thinking are the truly endangered species in this country.

The death rate for peanut allergies is .43 per 100,000, and more than half are under 18. Mr Peanut is a mass murderer. Hang Him!

[cmj8591]

The bill was passed out of committee three days ago. It seems that some of the Dems who are facing a fight to get reelected are starting to vacillate now so it might not even come up for a vote on the House floor. Keep calling even if your rep is a die hard anti gunner.