AFT pistol stabilizing brace rule just came down.

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This may be a blessing in disguise. Millions of AR pistols are out there. It can't be legal (or tolerated) to make millions of Americans felons overnight.
As far as the 5th Circuits ruling, that only applies within the boundaries of the 5th Circuit.
Hopefully we will see an end to the NFA and GCA within our lifetime. Better hurry up. I'm 65 and retiring next week.
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"Millions of AR pistols are out there. It can't be legal (or tolerated) to make millions of Americans felons overnight."

The Rule of Lenity?
 
the process that has occured over bump stocks and braces could also occur with gas stoves in your home, or internal combustion engines in cars and trucks.

The president says "I don't like them", and the EPA makes them go away using emission and pollution standards impossible to meet. How about ICE portable generators, ATVs, snowmobiles and boat motors?

If these are allowed to stand, there is no real theoretical end.

I don't care about bump stocks, and don't use a pistol brace yet, depending on my neck/shoulder surgery, but I DO CARE about the rule of law, and the legal functioning of our government.

We must innundate our lawmakers, who were not involved in these processes.
 
True. But, the legal fees and stress could wipe someone and their families out. This is tyranny, nothing less.
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Its not.

Stocks on handguns have been illegal (without government approval) since before I was born. And I’m old.

Pistol braces are stocks. The work-around worked for a while. It doesn’t anymore.

If you want pistol stocks to be legal, work on that.

I will now launch myself onto many ignore lists: I don’t care about the ATF deciding pistol stocks are masquerading as arm braces.
 
Its not.

Stocks on handguns have been illegal (without government approval) since before I was born. And I’m old.

Pistol braces are stocks. The work-around worked for a while. It doesn’t anymore.

If you want pistol stocks to be legal, work on that.

I will now launch myself onto many ignore lists: I don’t care about the ATF deciding pistol stocks are masquerading as arm braces.

do you care about a regulating agency making de facto law, bypassing the whole elected representative government most of the planet wishes they had, and are literally dying to achieve what we have?
 
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They were legal for many years and the ATF supported it. Now they simply decide to change their minds after millions of legal gun owners have them. They are a federal agency and do not have the authority to make laws or rules that can result in jail time. But they're doing it anyway. If that is not a cause for concern then be prepared to accept anything they want to impose. They can't even demonstrate that pistol braces pose a significant threat. How will registration of these guns make us safer? They won't. The fact is that they don't know who has them and now they want a list.
 
do you care about a regulating agency making de facto law, bypassing the whole elected representative government most of the planet wishes they had, and are dying to achieve what we have?

They didn’t. The law making pistol stocks illegal was passed and signed into law decades ago.

They’ve ruled arm braces fall under that law.

I agree. I’ve never seen anyone use one on these things as an arm brace. I have seen plenty of people use them as a shoulder stock.

It was a good try while it lasted.
 
It did in fact drop. No full analysis yet, but this has been about the best source for legal interpretation I've found over the last year or so on ATF/2A issues:

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Any gun owner who is not concerned about HOW this was done needs to pull their head out of the sand... the ATF has been overstepping for years, and even in the face of 2 major SCOTUS cases and one major appeals court case that are very clear on the illegality of their actions, they've got the pedal to the metal. If you think they're going to stop at forced reset triggers and braces, you're deluding yourself. They ARE coming for you eventually.

Don't forget that the 'arm brace' market took off only AFTER the ATF said that they were legal, and ATF even said that it was OK to shoulder them...
 
I just read this link and it indicates that there is a grace period to register what now could be considered a short barrel rifle tax free for 120 days after the ruling is posted in the federal register.

Justice Department Announces New Rule to Address Stabilizing Braces, Accessories Used to Convert Pistols into Short-Barreled Rifles | OPA | Department of Justice

and a perfect example of why this is completely illegal. If you volunteer to register, they waive the $200 tax stamp. ONLY THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH of the US Government, can levy, waive, or eliminate taxes. Somehow, I think, in the back of your mind, you know this, but hadn't made the connection yet. The BATFE just collects the tax, they don't decide who, when, how much, or what it's used for. Only the legislative branch gets to.
 
They didn’t. The law making pistol stocks illegal was passed and signed into law decades ago.

They’ve ruled arm braces fall under that law.

I agree. I’ve never seen anyone use one on these things as an arm brace. I have seen plenty of people use them as a shoulder stock.

It was a good try while it lasted.

They ruled because they were told to, just like they ruled on bump stocks, when told to, and this was after, during the Obama administration, they ruled bump stocks WERE NOT "machine guns" "Braces" were already ruled fair game. The Director owes his/her job to the sitting president. How convenient for the President that the person who edits the dictionary works for them.

And by flipping on bump stocks, it's plain that without an actual change in the wording of the original laws these intrepretations MUST be based on, any intrepretation can be massaged if we let them, at the whim of someone higher up the food chain.
 
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everyone needs to get on the NRA-ILA email/text alert lists so we can easily follow the links the alerts contain and blast our elected officials daily. Same with the 2A Foundation, GOA and FPC. I've sent out 3 rounds of e-mails today.

In my state, I know they don't care about my views, but I still have to, so our system ever has a hope in working as it should.
 
I’ll wait until an actual news source, as opposed to a couple histrionic YouTubers, busts it out, and then I’ll still wait. E’erbody relax . . .
I sort of agree. I'm not going to get too excited just yet.
HOWEVER, like the guy in the first video said, make your opposition and your displeasure heard at every level of government.
 
I don't like the NFA. I think the prohibitions on SBRs and silencers are particularly pointless.

I also think that in a world where the NFA is still law, whether I like it or not, the pistol braces went far over the "I'm not touching you!" line. The original sig brace was definitely easily used as a stock, but the shape and the straps made sense as an accessibility device (indeed, I'd actually seen it used once by a person who was born with an unusable arm).

By the time of the ruling, all that was gone. I built an AR pistol for about $320 before the pandemic. This was one of the cheapest options, it doesn't have the sig brace accessibility features, neither the shape nor straps, had a screw that would interface with the adjustable stock positions on a standard carbine buffer tube, etc.

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There were others with even more features. They were stocks, no way around it. If these had stayed something like the sig brace, we might still have them. Instead the industry flew too close to the sun and melted their wings. It's a damn shame. They were a nice option for making AR/AK/similar "pistols" usable when waiting for a stamp, for situations where SBR legality was an issue, or, yaknow, for the genuinely disabled. That's over now, I'm glad at least (From my understanding) those with the pistols at least get a free stamp, but it's a pain in the ***. I'm disappointed that supposedly pro-gun politicians didn't pass the HPA or other NFA-neutering legislation when they had the chance, but putting stocks on pistols and calling them a brace was never something that was going to be a long term thing.
 
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