Firearms registration

[ReloadforFun]

I see that California wants to annually register all firearms, per SB1160. The registration fee seems variable.

[robertrwalsh]

CA is also working on a bill that would REQUIRE insurance companies to ask their customers if they own guns and/or if guns are stored on their property, how many guns and the manner of storage. The bill would further mandate that the insurance companies supply this information to the government.

[smoothshooter]

The majority of CA voters must be on board with all that.
Glad to NOT be a CA resident almost every day.

[ISCS Yoda]

I wish the Forum had a "Smilie" showing the face upchucking so I could use it every time CA is mentioned.

[johngalt]

Originally Posted by robertrwalsh

CA is also working on a bill that would REQUIRE insurance companies to ask their customers if they own guns and/or if guns are stored on their property, how many guns and the manner of storage. The bill would further mandate that the insurance companies supply this information to the government.

Is there any requirement that the customer answer truthfully?

"I'll take the 5th"

[Oldsalt66]

Originally Posted by johngalt

Is there any requirement that the customer answer truthfully?

"I'll take the 5th"

If the guns aren't listed under the policy as insured property, it's none of the insurance company's business, and regardless of the state's requirement that they ask, the customers can refuse to accurately disclose that information by answering however they choose, same as if one's child's pediatrician or teacher asks if there are guns in the home.

[BC38]

Originally Posted by smoothshooter

The majority of CA voters must be on board with all that.
Glad to NOT be a CA resident almost every day.

I appreciate what you're saying.

BUT, there is an old saying that
"As goes California, so goes the nation".

Sad, but to some extent, a true statement.

History has shown that as new laws are successfully passed in California, there are a lot of other states that will soon follow suit...

So we can never become too complacent about what California's legislature is doing - because you can bet that other states will try to enact laws patterned after theirs.

As a resident of Washington for nearly 40 years I can testify that our formerly "free" state has followed California's lead and now our gun laws are almost as restrictive as theirs.

Just something to keep in mind...

[GypsmJim]

I won't tell anybody what I own.

If a robber comes to my house, and steels my property, no matter how much I have prevented the robbery, so be it.

If the government confiscates my property, that's contrary to the USA Constitution and if that ever comes to be, I'll be glad I'm a senior citizen and don't have much longer to live anyway.

If anyone can tell me how to prevent all this from happening, please tell me what I need to do and i'll be on the bandwagon right away.

[MRB1]

They can claim it's "common sense gun control', reasonable gun control. or "for the children" but they know that their hands are tied until they know who, where, how many, etc guns are there. Registration fees for sure, then individual gun tax, then required liability insurance, then eventual confiscation. Their long term plan has to begin with registration. Compliance is foolishness.

[Sistema1927]

When I was in High School, I didn't care that the potheads and screw-ups were messing up their own lives. My thought was that it meant more opportunity for me. I have since discovered that this was short sighted and counter productive.

Same thing with California. What happens there is happening to us as well. It is our best interests that they don't descend into the pit.

[BC38]

FWIW, if it were an independent country, the economy of California would make it the 5th richest nation in the world.

That is the basis for the statement that "as goes California, so goes the nation".

The economic influence of the state of California on the rest of the United States should NEVER be under-estimated. When we have one state with more economic power than most independent nations, that is a force to be reckoned with.

As the old saying goes: Follow the money.

Money is POWER and California has a LOT of it.

[CH4]

That’s one way to control guns. Push the gun owners and their income to another state. Genius!

[stansdds]

Originally Posted by CH4

That’s one way to control guns. Push the gun owners and their income to another state. Genius!

I think governor Newsome holds the record for exodus from California.

[smoothshooter]

Originally Posted by BC38

I appreciate what you're saying.

BUT, there is an old saying that
"As goes California, so goes the nation".

Sad, but to some extent, a true statement.

History has shown that as new laws are successfully passed in California, there are a lot of other states that will soon follow suit...

So we can never become too complacent about what California's legislature is doing - because you can bet that other states will try to enact laws patterned after theirs.

As a resident of Washington for nearly 40 years I can testify that our formerly "free" state has followed California's lead and now our gun laws are almost as restrictive as theirs.

Just something to keep in mind...

Oh, I’m not complacent at all, and am fully aware of how bad stuff from CA tends to spread; especially as lots of that state’s anti-constitution residents bring their voting habits and activism with them to more conservative areas.
But I am old, and won’t have to worry about it for many more years.
What happens after I’m gone will be someone else’s problems.
My guess is that, given a choice, more and more people will enthusiastically trade liberty for comfort and leisure time and will vote for politicians that promise to make that happen.
I am glad to have been fortunate enough to have lived in the time period that I have, and been able to enjoy the advantages that
came with being an American.
We have never been a perfect nation for all citizens, but still better than anywhere else. Too bad so few people appreciate that anymore.

[BC38]

Originally Posted by smoothshooter

Oh, I’m not complacent at all, and am fully aware of how bad stuff from CA tends to spread; especially as lots of that state’s anti-constitution residents bring their voting habits and activism with them to more conservative areas.
But I am old, and won’t have to worry about it for many more years.
What happens after I’m gone will be someone else’s problems.
My guess is that, given a choice, more and more people will enthusiastically trade liberty for comfort and leisure time and will vote for politicians that promise to make that happen.
I am glad to have been fortunate enough to have lived in the time period that I have, and been able to enjoy the advantages that came with being an American.
We have never been a perfect nation for all citizens, but still better than anywhere else. Too bad so few people appreciate that anymore.

AMEN to that - I couldn't agree more.

The US of A is not and has has never been perfect - no nation or culture created by men ever has been perfect. BUT, ever since 1776 our country has continued to make progress towards becoming a more and more egalitarian society.

A realistic assessment of history clearly shows that our Constitutional Republic has resulted in the GREATEST levels of personal freedom and liberty for the MOST people, in the entire recorded history of the world.

So, the United States is not the horrible systemically racist society that the left wants to portray us as being.

If systemic racism were the norm - as so many want to claim - then why would the whole rest of the world be so hell-bent on coming here? Even if getting here means risking life and limb?

The proof is in the pudding, as the old saying goes...

Is the US of A perfect?

NO.

But it is still the BEST and FREE-EST society in the history of the world. Despite it's flaws.

[AlHunt]

Originally Posted by smoothshooter

The majority of CA voters must be on board with all that.
Glad to NOT be a CA resident almost every day.

The problem is that what happens in California doesn't STAY in California. It metastasizes.

[MG34/bar]

The basic facts concerning firearms registration was answered in the 1968 US Supreme Court decision “Haynes vs United States” which ruled that all registration schemes cannot affect criminals as forcing criminals to register a firearm would violate the 5th Amendment right to refuse self-incrimination. Therefore, like every thing else in California, the bad people get a “pass” and only good citizens are affected. Almost like that’s the plan all along isn’t it?

[smoothshooter]

Originally Posted by BC38

FWIW, if it were an independent country, the economy of California would make it the 5th richest nation in the world.

That is the basis for the statement that "as goes California, so goes the nation".

The economic influence of the state of California on the rest of the United States should NEVER be under-estimated. When we have one state with more economic power than most independent nations, that is a force to be reckoned with.

As the old saying goes: Follow the money.

Money is POWER and California has a LOT of it.

There is a lot of money spent and made out there, to be sure.
But they are also bankrupt.
And so is our Federal government.
Heard on the radio last night and this morning the the interest (one trillion) on the national debt for 2024 will be larger than the entire defense budget of 875 billion.

[Greyman50]

There will be Lots of “ boating accidents” there….

[WCCPHD]

The question we need to ask is "why is registration necessary?"

The answer: have to know where they are to confiscate them.

[SGT ROCK 11B]

Originally Posted by BC38

If systemic racism were the norm - as so many want to claim - then why would the whole rest of the world be so hell-bent on coming here? Even if getting here means risking life and limb?

Money. Minimum wage in California is $16/hr. So $2560 a month while in your country it is $213.

If Canada had a $250/hourly minimum wage I would be there. For the older people here, remember the Alaska pipeline jobs in the 1970s? I know a lot of people went there. It was a “Gold Rush”.

HAVANA TIMES – “It doesn’t stretch far enough,” is a lament heard up and down the impoverished Central American isthmus, voiced by the masses of workers who earn a basic wage that’s not enough to cover their needs. The situation pushes many into the informal market or impels them to emigrate. In Nicaragua, the minimum monthly wage – equivalent to US $213 dollars a month.

[SGT ROCK 11B]

Originally Posted by smoothshooter

There is a lot of money spent and made out there, to be sure.
But they are also bankrupt.
And so is our Federal government.
Heard on the radio last night and this morning the the interest (one trillion) on the national debt for 2024 will be larger than the entire defense budget of 875 billion.

The USA Defense Budget is larger than the next ten countries put together. The Military Industrial Complex here in the US made the millionaires of the 1960s, billionaires today. Their children will be trillionaires.

Remember the Kursk Submarine Disaster? The nuclear-powered Project 949A Antey submarine K-141 Kursk sank in an accident on 12 August 2000 in the Barents Sea. It was taking part in the first major Russian naval exercise in more than 10 years. All 118 personnel on board were killed.

The Russians could not save their lives. Once officially informed, the British government, along with the USA, France, Germany, Israel, Italy, and Norway, offered help.

[stansdds]

Originally Posted by BC38

AMEN to that - I couldn't agree more.

The US of A is not and has has never been perfect - no nation or culture created by men ever has been perfect. BUT, ever since 1776 our country has continued to make progress towards becoming a more and more egalitarian society.

A realistic assessment of history clearly shows that our Constitutional Republic has resulted in the GREATEST levels of personal freedom and liberty for the MOST people, in the entire recorded history of the world.

So, the United States is not the horrible systemically racist society that the left wants to portray us as being.

If systemic racism were the norm - as so many want to claim - then why would the whole rest of the world be so hell-bent on coming here? Even if getting here means risking life and limb?

The proof is in the pudding, as the old saying goes...

Is the US of A perfect?

NO.

But it is still the BEST and FREE-EST society in the history of the world. Despite it's flaws.

Perfectly stated!

[CH4]

Originally Posted by AlHunt

The problem is that what happens in California doesn't STAY in California. It metastasizes.

Ironically, the medical abbreviation for cancer is CA.

[BC38]

Originally Posted by AlHunt

The problem is that what happens in California doesn't STAY in California. It metastasizes.

EXACTLY.
Like a cancer - what happens in California SPREADS!

[BC38]

Originally Posted by SGT ROCK 11B

Money. Minimum wage in California is $16/hr. So $2560 a month while in your country it is $213.

If Canada had a $250/hourly minimum wage I would be there. For the older people here, remember the Alaska pipeline jobs in the 1970s? I know a lot of people went there. It was a “Gold Rush”.

HAVANA TIMES – “It doesn’t stretch far enough,” is a lament heard up and down the impoverished Central American isthmus, voiced by the masses of workers who earn a basic wage that’s not enough to cover their needs. The situation pushes many into the informal market or impels them to emigrate. In Nicaragua, the minimum monthly wage – equivalent to US $213 dollars a month.

THANK YOU!
Your post only reinforces the point I was making.

Is the USA perfect? NO!

BUT...

It is still BEST alternative in the whole world - possibly in the HISTORY of the whole world!

Is there ANY other country in the modern world that has to deal with the problem that there are MILLIONS of people wanting to get IN (rather than wanting to get OUT) - no matter WHAT it costs them?

Not as far as I know.

Another old saying is that...

Capitalism is the WORST possible economic system - EXCEPT for ALL the others!

I think it is fair to say that the USA is the worst country - except for all the others!

[Oldsalt66]

Originally Posted by BC38

FWIW, if it were an independent country, the economy of California would make it the 5th richest nation in the world.

That is the basis for the statement that "as goes California, so goes the nation".

The economic influence of the state of California on the rest of the United States should NEVER be under-estimated. When we have one state with more economic power than most independent nations, that is a force to be reckoned with.

As the old saying goes: Follow the money.

Money is POWER and California has a LOT of it.

California faces a 68 billion dollar deficit.

Budget deficit: Legislative analyst projects $68 billion hole- CalMatters

[BC38]

Originally Posted by Oldsalt66

California faces a 68 billion dollar deficit.

Budget deficit: Legislative analyst projects $68 billion hole- CalMatters

Yeah, you have a point. HOWEVER, under the current economic system, deficit spending doesn't really figure into the size of the economy of a state - or even a country.

Case in point: The US currently has a total deficit of over 30 TRILLION dollars.
Does anyone think that means we aren't still the largest economic engine in the world?
Does that mean there isn't more cumulative wealth in this country than in any other country in the world?
Does anyone think it means the US doesn't have a HUGE influence over the economies of the rest of the world?

Looking at deficits alone as a measure of an economy is almost completely irrelevant in the current world economic system.

Judging any economy on that basis alone is far too simplistic.

[gwpercle]

Never Forget ...

Registration is the First Step ...

Confiscation is the next step ...

Unarmed men are easier to control ...

Do you know the one thing that slaves were not allowed to have ...

Guns ... men will fight and die for their freedom !

Gary

[JDinAZ]

Originally Posted by gwpercle

Never Forget ...

Registration is the First Step ...

Confiscation is the next step ...

Unarmed men are easier to control ...

Do you know the one thing that slaves were not allowed to have ...

Guns ... men will fight and die for their freedom !

Gary

And this my friend is what they fear most

The numbers do not lie, We The People are more powerful than they are, and both sides know that simple fact

[Magnum_PI]

Registration is the first step to CONFISCATION.

NO THANKS! If you're a patriot, get out of CA!

[biku324]

Back in 1976, I bought a few handguns in Missouri. Had to get a permit to purchase, then separate permits to possess.

Never heard a thing about any of them since.

[LVSteve]

I've had family in the UK ask me why POTUS is elected using an electoral college. My short answer is, "Because of California."

[max503]

Originally Posted by Sistema1927

When I was in High School, I didn't care that the potheads and screw-ups were messing up their own lives. My thought was that it meant more opportunity for me. I have since discovered that this was short sighted and counter productive.

Same thing with California. What happens there is happening to us as well. It is our best interests that they don't descend into the pit.

Good chance Newsom will be the D presidential candidate in November. Anybody wanna bet?

[FZ1UKS&W]

I heard Gavin Newsom is in a fight again facing another Recall? Not sure of the validity of this claim but I did here that on the radio a few days ago.
Also I had a very good chance to Buy a Smith at a really good price and decided not to as I refuse to give Ca a nickel of my money. Sorry CA friends on this forum. Just how I feel about the west coast in general. Libtards are so desperate to control our everyday lives it's pathetic and tragic. I have family out there and I have had to disown about all of them. Too hard to converse with people when the heads are stuck in the clouds.

[biku324]

Yes - same group that failed last time. It's mostly funded by Darrell Issa.

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by max503

Good chance Newsom will be the D presidential candidate in November. Anybody wanna bet?

Unless he runs out of Brylcreem?

[gp52555]

I spent 25 years military (USMC) and then 20 years as a deputy sheriff. I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies; foreign and domestic. Any LEO or military member involved in the confiscation of privately owned weapons is no longer my brother.......they have become my enemy.

[biku324]

Confiscating anything without just compensation violates the Fifth Amendment.

[dockmurgw]

Originally Posted by Magnum_PI

If you're a patriot, get out of CA!

California gun owners fighting the good fight know this is garbage...they don't need to be told.

[Rustyt1953]

Originally Posted by Magnum_PI

Registration is the first step to CONFISCATION.

NO THANKS! If you're a patriot, get out of CA!

I have many acquaintances from the music industry in CA. Many of them are 2A supporters. They are entrenched there and not in a financial position to pack up and leave yet.

They fight from within.

[serger]

What would Nathan Jessup do?

[dsf]

Originally Posted by smoothshooter

The majority of CA voters must be on board with all that.
Glad to NOT be a CA resident almost every day.

You can bet they are, for certain. And likely that alot of CA gunowners, some by ignorance and some deliberate, will vote for the legislators who propose such bills. Because God forbid they should vote for a pro-gun candidate who's not in line with them on taxes, immigration, unions or that other "hot button" issue.

Whenever one discusses the theory of CA gunowners (and this perhaps applies in other states) being "single issue" voters it's pointed out that we're not a majority. True, but we can be a voting block in the same way other special interests may be. Taking 5% or 10% from a candidate and swinging it to another is a heck of a thing.

[BC38]

Originally Posted by Rustyt1953

I have many acquaintances from the music industry in CA. Many of them are 2A supporters. They are entrenched there and not in a financial position to pack up and leave yet.

They fight from within.

Behind enemy lines - so to speak...