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Old 03-16-2024, 03:11 PM
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I'd like to see the 4 candidates elected.
Truth be known, the boards goal is to perpetuate themselves and keep on doing what they're doing. Self preservation.
I'm not sure 4 new members can be heard on a board of 70.
The key fact is, and I've said it a million times: The board needs to be cut to 13 members, all freely elected with no input from a nominating committee made up of the 70 other board members.
There needs to be groundswell to make that change.
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Even very large corporations seldom have more than 10-15 board members.
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Did as you asked.
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When do they reveal the results?
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Ballots have been delivered for the 2024 NRA Board of Directors Election.

You can vote for up to 25 candidates, but you don't have to vote for all 25.
Again, the best way to ensure that true reform candidates get elected is to vote for only four -- Marshall, Journey, Fusaro, and Knox --
then mail the ballot in well before the April 28 deadline.
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Old 03-17-2024, 09:58 AM
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Thanks for posting this info. I am one of those in the blind about the topic. Filled my ballot out and mailing today. Will spread this info to others.
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Old 03-17-2024, 08:58 PM
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My sincere and heartfelt thanks to you, Jeff, and also to Philip Journey, Dennis Fusaro and Rocky Marshall. I am so glad that the four of you, along with some of the NRA's existing BOD members and some of us NRA members can see the value the NRA holds for us in protecting our 2A rights not to mention the many programs the NRA has for the shooting sports. I have voted in every NRA BOD election since I became eligible and it seems that FINALLY maybe our votes will mean something. Thank you again!
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Old 03-18-2024, 03:30 PM
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The official results aren't presented until a week or two before the Annual Meeting. This year, that's the weekend of May 16, so we should know in early May.

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My ballot is in todays mail.
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So, do we vote yes or no on the bylaw change?
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Thank you for the advice. Wife and I voted as you recommended (for the four individuals), and mailed in our ballots last week.

Now, let's hope the count is true. Five years ago, that wouldn't have entered my mind...
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So, do we vote yes or no on the bylaw change?
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Old 03-23-2024, 10:11 AM
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Old 03-25-2024, 10:05 PM
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Give money to the NRA if you want, but these guys are the ones who win court battles all over the country on a regular basis.
FPC has done some good work in recent years. Supporting their efforts is definitely worthwhile, but this thread isn't about where to send your money, it's about the limited opportunity we have over the next year or so to get the most powerful organization we've ever had back up and moving in the right direction.

It should be noted that much of FPC's success has been predicated on NRA's efforts, particularly the Bruen decision, which the NRA funded and sponsored, but also the decades of NRA-sponsored and supported academic research and writing that laid the groundwork for Heller and McDonald. SAF, Goa Foundation, and other organizations have also had some significant success in the courts.

None of the other organizations can come close to doing what the NRA has been doing for 170 years though -- building a culture around shooting, hunting, and collecting, protecting hunting rights, land access, and teaching hunter safety, building ranges, competitions, and a national network of state associations and affiliated clubs. The NRA has some major blunders on their record, but those blunders are small compared to the total contribution the Association has made toward keeping our rights and our culture alive and vibrant for over a century and a half.

At its peak, just 7 years ago, the NRA had over 5 million members and was generating annual revenue of almost $400 million. [Edit: I erroneously said "Billion" here originally. Fixed it to read "million."]
Compare that to other national groups, which cumulatively have a quarter as many members (with many, if not most of those also being NRA members) and a tenth of the funding -- combined.

Over the next few months, a judge is going to decide what needs fixing within the NRA and how that fixing should be conducted. Our objective is to be sure that judge hears from dedicated NRA members and applies conservation and restoration techniques that will set the Association back on a path of productivity and effectiveness -- in the courts, federal and state legislatures, in training and education, collecting and historical preservation, hunting, competitions, and more.

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I’d love to see an organization chart for the NRA — top-to-bottom. The chart shows how the store is being run. I’ll bet it would produce a lot of good ideas on the “fix” and give the members something tangible to vote on.
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Have at it. This is from one of Carolyn Meadows's tenures . . .

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I count that the president has 29 direct reports. That’s almost as bad as having 70 Directors. In my experience as a corporate VP, 7-9 direct reports is almost manageable. No wonder things are out of control. A major restructuring is absolutely necessary.
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My ballot was languishing until I read the original post and the thumbs up from the Big Ape. It is now sent.
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Mailed mine last week.
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Not sure who came up with that org chart, but it's not accurate at all. No one at NRA reports to the President. The Executive Vice President is the CEO, and all employees report to him. He reports to the Board.
NRA has two major divisions: General Operations and ILA. Each of those has an Executive Director with various deputies and so forth down the line. ILA is responsible for lobbying and political activity, while General Operations is responsible for everything else.
Within ILA, there are Federal Affairs and State and Local, with division chiefs over each, a small PR department, Grassroots division, and some others.
On the General Operations side there are lots of divisions: Publications, Education & Training, Competitions, Member Services, Membership (recruiting and retention), Range Development, Hunting, etc.
Then you have the vendors and consultants. The top vendor for decades was the PR firm Ackerman McQueen. In 2019 they were pulling down something north of $40 million per year from the Association. Ack-Mac was followed by various other vendors, mostly fundraisers like the phone-bank company, and no fewer than 5 "Fundraising Consultants" who must be really good because they were getting paid a lot of money, even though there was no paper trail showing what NRA actually got from them.
A detailed org chart would be interesting, especially if it included salaries.
You can learn a lot from NRA's IRS form 990 that they file every year. You can find those on sites like GuideStar and ProPublica, or on my site, FirearmsCoalition.org.
We have lots of really good people working for the NRA, and a few greedy bassfishermen at the top.
They laid off over half fo the employees a few years ago, pushing many into early retirement to try and reduce expenses -- while still paying WLP over $1.5 million per year and flying him around on private jets.
ILA can (and in my opinion, should) be pretty much self-sufficient and independent.
A lot of the PR functions should be done in-house, but after they got rid of Ack-Mac, those duties, and the payments, went to their lawyer's firm for "crisis communications." We've been paying them something like $2 million per month for the past 5 or 6 years.
I'd like to see a hard-nosed, retired executive type with deep corporate experience put in the Interim CEO position to lead the reorganization, so the new, more permanent CEO will have a clean, tidy house and no blood on his hands.
The judge will be deciding much of this in July. I just hope he'll demand big changes and get rid of the "leaders" who have been gas-lighting the membership all these years.
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Not sure who came up with that org chart, but it's not accurate at all. No one at NRA reports to the President. The Executive Vice President is the CEO, and all employees report to him. He reports to the Board.
NRA has two major divisions: General Operations and ILA. Each of those has an Executive Director with various deputies and so forth down the line. ILA is responsible for lobbying and political activity, while General Operations is responsible for everything else.
Within ILA, there are Federal Affairs and State and Local, with division chiefs over each, a small PR department, Grassroots division, and some others.
On the General Operations side there are lots of divisions: Publications, Education & Training, Competitions, Member Services, Membership (recruiting and retention), Range Development, Hunting, etc.
Then you have the vendors and consultants. The top vendor for decades was the PR firm Ackerman McQueen. In 2019 they were pulling down something north of $40 million per year from the Association. Ack-Mac was followed by various other vendors, mostly fundraisers like the phone-bank company, and no fewer than 5 "Fundraising Consultants" who must be really good because they were getting paid a lot of money, even though there was no paper trail showing what NRA actually got from them.
A detailed org chart would be interesting, especially if it included salaries.
You can learn a lot from NRA's IRS form 990 that they file every year. You can find those on sites like GuideStar and ProPublica, or on my site, FirearmsCoalition.org.
We have lots of really good people working for the NRA, and a few greedy bassfishermen at the top.
They laid off over half fo the employees a few years ago, pushing many into early retirement to try and reduce expenses -- while still paying WLP over $1.5 million per year and flying him around on private jets.
ILA can (and in my opinion, should) be pretty much self-sufficient and independent.
A lot of the PR functions should be done in-house, but after they got rid of Ack-Mac, those duties, and the payments, went to their lawyer's firm for "crisis communications." We've been paying them something like $2 million per month for the past 5 or 6 years.
I'd like to see a hard-nosed, retired executive type with deep corporate experience put in the Interim CEO position to lead the reorganization, so the new, more permanent CEO will have a clean, tidy house and no blood on his hands.
The judge will be deciding much of this in July. I just hope he'll demand big changes and get rid of the "leaders" who have been gas-lighting the membership all these years.

Geez man, It seems like the only trick these suckers missed, was taking the NRA public on the DOW.
Sheesh.

Thanks for all your work, and Happy Easter.

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I have made a few visits to the NRA shooting center in Raton, NM with one of its BOD members/founder. I recall him telling me that Raton was being cut off from the mother ship and left to itself to make a go of it. I found that action to be misaligned with my view of what the NRA was all about. I guess those private jet rides needed to be paid for.
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I haven't been able to donate any money to the NRA the last few years as I couldn't in good faith support them. I have happily given that money and more to other 2A groups in the meantime. As a life member I have been sending in my ballots voting for nonincumbants for years hoping for change. Maybe it will be a little different after this election but I won't hold my breath.
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Dennis Fusaro
Jeff Knox

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I found my ballot , voted for "The Four" and Yes on the Proposal to Amend Bylaws , signed it and inclosed all in official envelope ...
Lady at the post office assured me it would be delivered before April 28 , it should get there in 3 working days .

Voting is about all I can do ... but I pray the Lord will give you guys the strength and courage to get the hard job done ... Good Luck !
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Jeff, thank you for stating the case so clearly. Lee, thank you for making sure the forum members and visitors had a chance to see it.

I have just mailed my ballot in support of the bylaw adoption and voting only for the four recommended individuals.

This is clearly not a rapid response on my part, but it is still timely. Others who have not yet voted have until April 29 to get their ballots in. Please do so!
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Sorry if I somehow missed this, but in addition to a name the ballot also asks for each individual's address ... CITY & STATE.

I see Jeff shows his forum location as Tombstone, AZ but what about the remaining three recommended write-in nominees? Don't want my vote disqualified due to incomplete information. Thanks !!

Phil Journey
Rocky Marshall
Dennis Fusaro
Jeff Knox Tombstone, AZ

If I somehow missed this info in the thread, then my bad. Tony
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Sorry if I somehow missed this, but in addition to a name the ballot also asks for each individual's address ... CITY & STATE.

I see Jeff shows his forum location as Tombstone, AZ but what about the remaining three recommended write-in nominees? Don't want my vote disqualified due to incomplete information. Thanks !!

Phil Journey
Rocky Marshall
Dennis Fusaro
Jeff Knox Tombstone, AZ


If I somehow missed this info in the thread, then my bad. Tony

These four nominees are NOT write-ins!
They are on the ballot.
Their locations are printed below their names.
Simply mark those four names on your ballot.
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Fellow S&W Forum Members, I would like to add the name of James L. Wallace, Newburyport, Massachusetts for your consideration if you have not yet returned your ballot.

As a Benefactor member of the NRA, a sustaining member of GOAL (Gun Owners Action League) a Massachusetts state gun rights defender, a Life member of the S&WCA and a life member of the Southborough Rod and Gun Club, I know Jim personally and have seen how hard he has fought for the 2nd amendment rights of Massachusetts gun owners for decades.

As you may or may not know, Massachusetts has some of the toughest gun laws in the country and one of the reasons that we can still own firearms here is due to the Gun Owners Action League (GOAL) and the tireless efforts of James Wallace, their Executive Director.

I have voted for the 4 applicants recommended here listed on the ballot as 11, 12, 17, and 29. (Assuming that all of the ballots are identical) I ask you to add number 34 James L. Wallace if you wish to vote for folks that support your 2nd amendment rights.

Remember that if you have not yet sent your ballot back you only have until April 28 for them to receive and count it.

VOTE now and send it in or don't complain in the future if we lose all rights......

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I have been a Lifer since the early '60's. I have already voted. I think Jeff was one I voted for.
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Thank you to everyone who voted for us and especially those who told their friends to vote for us. Our Four for Reform slate came in at number 2, 3, 5, and 16, in a field of 34 candidates running for 26 seats, with 25 incumbents. Two past-presidents of the NRA failed to make the cut.
This was a tremendous victory that should have Board members thinking about their futures. Now on to Dallas for the Members' Meeting and the Board meeting where new officers will be elected.
We couldn't have done it without your help.
Hope to see some of you in Dallas.
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Jeff, I hope now that you are on the Board, you will keep the forum updated with what you are trying to do and the results you get.
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Congrats Jeff, and to the others you recommended.
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Thank you to everyone who voted for us and especially those who told their friends to vote for us. Our Four for Reform slate came in at number 2, 3, 5, and 16, in a field of 34 candidates running for 26 seats, with 25 incumbents. Two past-presidents of the NRA failed to make the cut.
This was a tremendous victory that should have Board members thinking about their futures. Now on to Dallas for the Members' Meeting and the Board meeting where new officers will be elected.
We couldn't have done it without your help.
Hope to see some of you in Dallas.
Congratulations to Phil Journey, Rocky Marshall, Dennis Fusaro, Buz Mills, Rick Ector, and especially to you, Jeff Knox. I believe it was your efforts that carried the day.
Now, make us proud!
Jeff, let us know what all of us can do to help. Is there any chance of eventually reducing the size of the BOD?
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Thanks in advance, Jeff, for all the hard work you are going to do. I was hopeful NRA’s membership could turn the organization around. Please keep us informed.
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Jeff, it might be beneficial to the members here, ( since we now have a direct link to the workings of the BOD via you and the other “reformers), if you can keep us updated as to the organization’s overall health and reform progress. Thanks for your efforts.
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Jeff, it might be beneficial to the members here, ( since we now have a direct link to the workings of the BOD via you and the other “reformers), if you can keep us updated as to the organization’s overall health and reform progress. Thanks for your efforts.
I agree wholeheartedly! I don’t feel that I can put trust in the NRA’s magazines and website. We here, along with many other supporters and former supporters, need to know the truth.
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Think a trip to Dallas is in my future....Still a lot of gradou on the bottom of the pot that needs stirring.
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