Not Pleased in NM

[biku324]

Our governor was able to, "...do something..." about gun crime (we have the 4th highest murder rate in the US) in her opinion. She just signed a 7-day purchase-to-pickup waiting period into law. At least there are exceptions for CHL holders and family members.

We had a good run from 1912 to now with few restrictions. This one should take effect in July.

The provisions of this section do not apply to the sale of a firearm:

(1) to a buyer who holds a valid federal firearms license;
(2) to a buyer who holds a valid New Mexico concealed handgun license pursuant to the Concealed Handgun Carry Act;
(3) to a law enforcement agency;
(4) between two law enforcement officers authorized to carry a firearm and certified pursuant to federal law or the Law Enforcement Training Act; or
(5) between immediate family members.

Murders per 100,000 population

Mississippi - 23.70
Louisiana - 21.30
Alabama - 15.90
New Mexico - 15.30
South Carolina - 13.40
Missouri - 12.40
Illinois - 12.30
Maryland - 12.20
Tennessee - 12.20
Arkansas - 11.70
Georgia - 11.40

The legislature also increased 2nd degree murder and attempted 2nd degree murder penalties, requires incarceration of anyone committing a felony while on bond for another felony, and banned firearms from within 100 feet of a polling place during elections except by CHL holders, pollworkers, and LE.

[Breakaway500]

Hoplophobes created by Hollywood.

[ISCS Yoda]

Your governor is an idjit but your legislature seems to have the right idea.....

The legislature also increased 2nd degree murder and attempted 2nd degree murder penalties, requires incarceration of anyone committing a felony while on bond for another felony, and banned firearms from within 100 feet of a polling place during elections except by CHL holders, pollworkers, and LE.

[biku324]

Agreed. Two more years and she's out forever (term-limited).

[Rubone]

Some interviews with Democrat Senators and representatives early on said they would not vote with her on some of her plans like Semi-Auto bans, magazine bans etc. They said they would not vote for anything unconstitutional. Glad to see that. NM is a state full of gun owners, one of the highest per capita in the US and a huge hunting and shooting culture. Her original plan was a 14 day waiting period but that was whittled down in committee. Sadly it made it through as modified.

[stansdds]

Originally Posted by Rubone

Some interviews with Democrat Senators and representatives early on said they would not vote with her on some of her plans like Semi-Auto bans, magazine bans etc. They said they would not vote for anything unconstitutional. Glad to see that. NM is a state full of gun owners, one of the highest per capita in the US and a huge hunting and shooting culture. Her original plan was a 14 day waiting period but that was whittled down in committee. Sadly it made it through as modified.

So some MN legislators said they would not vote for proposed laws that are unconstitutional?

I'm still waiting for someone to find the section in the constitution where it says that exercising 2A rights can be delayed by 3, 7, 10, 14, 30, etc. days. So legislators who say they will not vote for anything that is unconstitutional, yet vote for waiting periods, government mandated firearms training, bans on certain types of firearms, etc. are voting for unconstitutional laws.

[Heinz]

From my experience in the criminal justice system, if they want to prevent violent crimes they should put a two week hold on liquor store purchases. They tried something like that once but it did not pan out.

[ladder13]

And another will take her place.

[M29since14]

I can sort of see how these “igits” might honestly believe that a cooling-down period might be of some use if applied strictly to first-time buyers. Constitutional or not, the thought has at least some basis in logic and human nature. Applying that mechanism to persons who already own guns is outright ridiculous. We did that here in Indiana for many years, then somewhere, somehow the light must have been switched on and we got away from it. I can’t recall when.

[M29since14]

Originally Posted by biku324

Agreed. Two more years and she's out forever (term-limited).

A shame that an operation of term limit law has to expel her rather than the will and indignation of the people.

[Breakaway500]

There should be city law and country law. The liberals control all the cities so let them live by their own draconian ideals and ban guns while inviting in criminals and their lifestyles.
Rural people don't have the same values as city people and should not have to live under the same rules/restrictions.
Unfortunately the cities have such large populations that they easily outnumber rural voters and so you get what we have today: city rules for all.

[Sistema1927]

She's not done yet. Threatening a special session in order to get even more gun control.

[biku324]

Originally Posted by M29since14

A shame that an operation of term limit law has to expel her rather than the will and indignation of the people.

We get that opportunity every 4 years. She won easily both times.

[biku324]

Originally Posted by Sistema1927

She's not done yet. Threatening a special session in order to get even more gun control.

That's a problem with lame ducks - they have nothing to lose.

[M29since14]

Originally Posted by biku324

We get that opportunity every 4 years. She won easily both times.

And that’s just the point, isn’t it?

[tops]

Originally Posted by biku324

We get that opportunity every 4 years. She won easily both times.

When she is gone those voters will vote in someone just like her. Larry

[dave1918a2]

Sounds like She is trying to out Colorado Colorado.

[rwsmith]

...governer or a dictator?

[upcountry]

I was a NM approved CHL instructor in NM, lived in Silver City.
The recommended curriculum included a live fire session and qualification (not a bad idea), but the class was recommended to be 15 hours!
Then it was mandated that instructors were to attend 8 hour 'inservice' training that, if I recall correctly was annual.
The sessions were held all over the state, the closest being 2 hours away for me.
So, drive 2 hours for an 8 hour mandated session, then 2 hours home. Sounds like an overnight stay. Too many hoops to jump through so they rescinded my instructor status. Happened to a bunch of instructors, culling the herd.
Moved to AZ 5 years ago, much better.

[Yaworski]

Originally Posted by M29since14

Applying that mechanism to persons who already own guns is outright ridiculous.

I've said that for years. If I get angry at my neighbor, I'm not going to buy a new gun to shoot him.

I wrote to my legislators in Maryland about that concept and was told that they are concerned about safety and that all steps needed to be taken. They don't care.

[biku324]

Originally Posted by rwsmith

...governer or a dictator?

Governor, and she would not have won a second term but for her opponent being a TV weatherman with no other experience. Appalling.

[fordson]

Originally Posted by Yaworski

I've said that for years. If I get angry at my neighbor, I'm not going to buy a new gun to shoot him.

I wrote to my legislators in Maryland about that concept and was told that they are concerned about safety and that all steps needed to be taken. They don't care.

If our elected representatives are all concerned about safety, when then are they going to take positive action on Distracted Drivers? Or any other “safety” concerns for which “all steps needed to be taken”……..
Y, this is not directed to you , just our mutually elected officials that pick and choose what “safety “ issue is more likely to help them stay elected……regardless if they do anything about them…..

[crstrode]

The evil twin of that NM Governor, Katie Hobbs of AZ, just vetoed a new law; the 'Alien Invasion Act'. It would allow police to arrest illegal border crossers. It was passed by both houses of Congress.

[BC38]

Originally Posted by biku324

Agreed. Two more years and she's out forever (term-limited).

Is this another executive order - a.k.a. legislation by fiat?
If so, ya' recon the courts will strike her down again?

[biku324]

Nope - HB 129, passed the House 37-34, passed the Senate 23-18. Gov. Grisham signed it yesterday.

I've never heard of SCOTUS cases on waiting periods - anyone out there know of one?

[upcountry]

The general feeling is Katie Hobbs will be gone next time around.
I don't see it happening in NM.

[biku324]

Ours is gone in '26.

[cmj8591]

So the governor just signed the bill into law but the bill came about through legislation? The Governor just didn't do a waiting period by fiat?

[biku324]

Nope. It's regular law.

[DonD]

Grisham has cranial rectal inversion. Major league fool.

She's passed junk that the vast majority of the county sheriffs told her they wouldn't enforce. Don

[Sistema1927]

Born to lead?

[biku324]

We survived Slimy Bill Richardson with less trouble.

[cmj8591]

Originally Posted by biku324

Nope. It's regular law.

So like Massachusetts, your problem is bigger than just a nit wit governor.

[biku324]

Maybe. We'll see how the election comes out in November.

[stuartg74]

Originally Posted by biku324

Agreed. Two more years and she's out forever (term-limited).

The next one will probably be worse than this one.

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[Sistema1927]

Originally Posted by stuartg74

The next one will probably be worse than this one.

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Probably Brian Colon (and you notice that I left off the accent mark).

[LVSteve]

Originally Posted by Breakaway500

There should be city law and country law. The liberals control all the cities so let them live by their own draconian ideals and ban guns while inviting in criminals and their lifestyles.
Rural people don't have the same values as city people and should not have to live under the same rules/restrictions.
Unfortunately the cities have such large populations that they easily outnumber rural voters and so you get what we have today: city rules for all.

As I have pointed out before, you can thank Earl Warren for that. Apparently an electoral college type system is OK at the Federal level, but not within a state. You must have one person, one vote. It will be a brave person who takes tha to SCOTUS. Think about it a little.

[LVSteve]

Originally Posted by biku324

Governor, and she would not have won a second term but for her opponent being a TV weatherman with no other experience. Appalling.

...and I thought it was just Nevada where a certain group has the bizarre habit of putting forward unelectable candidates.

[rwsmith]

Originally Posted by biku324

The legislature also increased 2nd degree murder and attempted 2nd degree murder penalties, requires incarceration of anyone committing a felony while on bond for another felony, and banned firearms from within 100 feet of a polling place during elections except by CHL holders, pollworkers, and LE.

These laws make sense as they don't punish responsible gun owners.

[Biff_Biffington]

I was in law enforcement for 20 years. I live in Colorado (aka California east) where in October our Newsom puppett Gov started a 3-day wait. At least if you have a CCW permit there, its waived. No one is exempt here except LE. I can tell you if someone is intent on killing themselves or others with a LEGALLY purchased firearm, a "wait" isnt going to stop them, they will plan accordingly. These laws are nothing but a sloppy attempt to either 1. trip up sellers into making mistalkes on releasing/paperwork records the weapon, hence loosing ther licence. 2. Slowing down firearm transactions as a whole and 3. making it less convienient and generally more annoying for anyone who can legally purchase a firearm, and those who sell them, big or small who chances are aren't politically aligned with those who wrote the laws anyway.

[biku324]

Originally Posted by rwsmith

These laws make sense as they don't punish responsible gun owners.

Yes - common sense.

[colkid]

Sad isn't. They keep passing laws to hamstring us. We just have to somehow get rid of these people or they will tax us to death and take away our guns completely. I am Also from the people's republic of Colorado.

[luvsmiths]

Originally Posted by biku324

Governor, and she would not have won a second term but for her opponent being a TV weatherman with no other experience. Appalling.

I bet someday the same thing will happen with the Office of President.

Maybe even get another one who is pushing 90 that runs.

I mean, both those things can happen- but probably never would in this Country.

[dsf]

Curious on two items -

Re "FFL exemption" - does that apply to C&R FFLs when buying "old guns"? If not the state legislation has just negated an FFL license. Also, under the theory that a law is supposed to (even in theory) accomplish some sort of positive end and be narrowly crafted when affecting a right, how does a waiting period fit into that box when a person already has guns?

[AlHunt]

Originally Posted by biku324

Our governor was able to, "...do something..." about gun crime (we have the 4th highest murder rate in the US) in her opinion. She just signed a 7-day purchase-to-pickup waiting period into law. At least there are exceptions for CHL holders and family members.

We had a good run from 1912 to now with few restrictions. This one should take effect in July.

The provisions of this section do not apply to the sale of a firearm:

(1) to a buyer who holds a valid federal firearms license;
(2) to a buyer who holds a valid New Mexico concealed handgun license pursuant to the Concealed Handgun Carry Act;
(3) to a law enforcement agency;
(4) between two law enforcement officers authorized to carry a firearm and certified pursuant to federal law or the Law Enforcement Training Act; or
(5) between immediate family members.

Murders per 100,000 population

Mississippi - 23.70
Louisiana - 21.30
Alabama - 15.90
New Mexico - 15.30
South Carolina - 13.40
Missouri - 12.40
Illinois - 12.30
Maryland - 12.20
Tennessee - 12.20
Arkansas - 11.70
Georgia - 11.40

The legislature also increased 2nd degree murder and attempted 2nd degree murder penalties, requires incarceration of anyone committing a felony while on bond for another felony, and banned firearms from within 100 feet of a polling place during elections except by CHL holders, pollworkers, and LE.

This is the cost of "compromise" on supposed gun control laws across the board. Democrats are the "Party of Taking Things Away", including guns and gun rights. Sorry to see this happening to to you.

We need to be proposing and fighting for increased liberties, not constantly fighting some defensive action to limit the march towards civilian disarmament.

[steelslaver]

Originally Posted by biku324

Governor, and she would not have won a second term but for her opponent being a TV weatherman with no other experience. Appalling.

That is the current face of our 2 party "democracy" Poor choice #1 vs poor choice #2, go to the polls and vote for the lesser of 2 evils, despite the fact that the lesser of 2 evils is still evil.

Unfortunately most candidates are to stupid for the job, yet dumb enough to want it.

I always ask myself this "would I lend this person $20 and expect to get it back?" If not why expect them to be honest with our national budget? Consequently, I seldom vote for any member of a major party member on the national level. State level is a bit better, and I do have some what better choices on the local level.