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Old 05-28-2024, 08:23 PM
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To those of you who are feeling persecuted by this latest ruling:

What did you do to prevent the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968? It took 5 years for the final bill to pass congress. Did you run for public office? Did you campaign for candidates that opposed it? Did you vote?

What did you do during the 7 years it took congress to pass the Brady Bill?

What about when the "Assault Weapons" ban was passed by congress in September 1994? What did you do?

Talk is cheap, what DID you do?
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Old 05-28-2024, 08:54 PM
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At least one state requires that now So the Federal Government won't be far behind.



Just where do you think this is headed? Especially if the current regime gets another four years to work on it.
Ok, now that's a different subject.

Your original post came across as at least trying to say that "individual (private) sales at gunshows are NOW outlawed" - and that isn't the case.

As for "where it is headed", that is speculation and my crystal ball isn't entirely clear on that question.

I do know that Washington has enacted more restrictive gun legislation in the last decade or so than most states.

HOWEVER, even though private sales have required a 4473 & background check for around 5 years now, our overlords haven't done anything further to try to prohibit private sales in that time.

Will they? Possibly. If they do, will it pass Constitutional muster?

Unlikely in my opinion. If they thought they could push the boundaries any further in that particular direction, I'm pretty sure they'd have tried it by now.
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To those of you who are feeling persecuted by this latest ruling:

What did you do to prevent the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968? It took 5 years for the final bill to pass congress. Did you run for public office? Did you campaign for candidates that opposed it? Did you vote?

What did you do during the 7 years it took congress to pass the Brady Bill?

What about when the "Assault Weapons" ban was passed by congress in September 1994? What did you do?

Talk is cheap, what DID you do?
For the 1968 Gun Control Act, I had no say as I was to young. For the others I was voicing my disapproval and in the military (spent quite a bit of time out of the country), not allowed to run for office. You are right talk is cheap, as I see a lot of it here. What did you do?

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Ok, now that's a different subject.

Your original post came across as at least trying to say that "individual (private) sales at gunshows are NOW outlawed" - and that isn't the case.

As for "where it is headed", that is speculation and my crystal ball isn't entirely clear on that question.

I do know that Washington has enacted more restrictive gun legislation in the last decade or so than most states.

HOWEVER, even though private sales have required a 4473 & background check for around 5 years now, our overlords haven't done anything further to try to prohibit private sales in that time.

Will they? Possibly. If they do, will it pass Constitutional muster?

Unlikely in my opinion. If they thought they could push the boundaries any further in that particular direction, I'm pretty sure they'd have tried it by now.

My original post was about gun shows. The fact that you will not be able to buy through private sales at them and the fact that the government was forcing us to report via a 4473. Who has 4473's but the dealers (read licensed FFL's). Who licenses those folks but the government. Making them minions of the government. Also forcing us to deal with them and restricting any avenues to deal elsewhere.
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Old 05-29-2024, 01:23 AM
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As I understand all of this there will be no more private sales allowed at gun shows. The only way you will be able to buy, sell, or trade a firearm is on a 4473. Since FFL dealers are the only ones around here using 4473's, you'll have to deal will a dealer. This is a win-win for the dealers and a losing proposition for gun owner. Dealers will have you over a barrel as to accepting their offers for your piece or going without. Am I off the mark on this?
Your original post - emphasis added.

My point is you WILL still be able to buy from private individuals and you will NOT be forced to buy from dealers only - and be at their mercy, and pay their inflated prices - or accept their lowball offers - or "do without" (your words).

Not being able to buy from a private individual (and being at the mercy of dealers because of that) and being able to buy from a private individual but having to have an FFL do the 4473 & background check are two distinctly different things.

If you can ONLY buy from dealers and you pay their prices or get nothing - which is what you said - that is WILDLY different from striking a deal with a private seller and the two of you going to an FFL and paying them a few bucks to do the transfer.

So yes, your original post was off the mark. Whether that is what you want to hear or not.
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God forbid the government...federal...state...local...actually make laws that affect criminals rather than law-abiding citizens. But...that's too difficult. It's easy abusing the rights of the law-abiding.
They don't want to hurt the criminals feelings and hope they will vote for them, which they probably will after restoring their rights, which they are also working on.
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To those that disagree with me, let us just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

To those that have agreed with me, I thank you.
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Have no fear AJ. Our over-reaching government is always deterred by that wrinkly old Constitution thingy. Just hold it up and show them when they come for you. They'll turn right around.

I think you can see small pieces of it floating in the breeze if you watch the footage of Waco.
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To those that disagree with me, let us just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

To those that have agreed with me, I thank you.

LOL, so, then your original question about possibly being off the mark was purely rhetorical?
If you didn't really want to hear any other opinion, why ask?
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Old 05-29-2024, 02:51 PM
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LOL, so, then your original question about possibly being off the mark was purely rhetorical?
If you didn't really want to hear any other opinion, why ask?
This has been like teaching Sus scrofa domesticus to sing. PM or email if you all want to continue. Why waste space here?
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This has been like teaching Sus scrofa domesticus to sing. PM or email if you all want to continue. Why waste space here?
Ooooo! An insult, and in Latin no less! Very nice!

All that aside, Biden and his mouthpieces may say that this isn't writing new law by Executive fiat, but changing definitions that existing law is based on and thereby expanding the scope of the law is functionally equivalent to adding to or writing new law.

I doubt that it will stand up if it ever makes it to SCOTUS. But of course that will take years and until then we're stuck with it. No telling how many people will be ruined by being prosecuted under this new "rule" between now & then.
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This is getting WAY out of hand...

There are already several judicial rulings staying this for members of certain 2A organizations.

When someone has more actual information, please post it in this sub forum. Until then, we're done...
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