shawn mccarver
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Just back from Orlando. S&W booth very exciting. New products seen: Models 14, 17, 18, 42 (no lock), 57, 58, 9mm 1911, 45 1911 with Commander barrel on officer's frame, and 3 inch 45 1911 on officer's frame, a couple of new Nightguards, M&P 15-22 (dedicated 22 LR M4 type rifle with polymer upper and lower), various other M&P15 rifles, M&P pistols with thumb safeties in full size and compact.
There is also a J frame 3 inch with ported barrel for the .327 Mag cartridge.
I am probably missing something as I am tired, but I think that covers most of it at S&W.
Other SHOT Show items of interest:
Rumors were flying that (1) Beretta bought Glock - NOT TRUE and (2) Cerberus Capital Management bought S&W - also NOT TRUE.
S&W M&Ps in 9, 40 and 45 in all frame sizes and barrel lengths were just approved for individual purchase by DEA agents after very rigorous testing.
Beretta was bragging about a new 450,000 unit pistol order from the army for M9 pistols, but I have the impression that it is through the Tank and Armaments command for procurement for other countries, but not sure about that.
Browning: no new centerfire pistols.
Colt: New 1911 stainless with picatinny rail, Delta Elite shown as new item again this year, basically the same line up as in recent years, although they had an entirely new booth with lots of flat screen TVs with fancy computer simulations and other info playing.
CZ: New versions of the CZ75 called SP01 and SP01 Phantom holding 19 rounds, with decocker or safety. CZ97 .45 new option of decocker in addition to thumb safety model. New P07 duty model with Omega trigger system which can be changed by end user from decocker to thumb safety model without gunsmith. Alice Poluchova, President in booth greeting people, friendly as ever and looking very nice indeed. Referred to by someone in an article about her bear hunt as the "Czech Chick." She is really cool and the only lady pres of a gun company that I know of.
Detonics: There with its line of 1911s, including the old combat master mini 45.
EAA: I have no idea if they had new stuff as I was too busy looking at Heather, the long legged blonde from their ads who was signing autographs. Much thinner in person than she looks in pictures. Very charming and nice person.
FN: Says its new SCAR 16 will not be available to anyone except stocking dealers who purchase a "stocking dealer package of guns" at about $8,000.00 cost. SCAR 17 in .308 is still a year away. FNP 45 in USG version (allows cocked and locked and decocking on same lever). All FNs come with three mags. The 45 with one 15 round mag and two 14 round mags if you get the shooters pack.
Glock: Nothing new except new RTF pistol - a Model 22 with a new "Rough Textured Frame" which has different slide serrations. I found the new frame texture too sharp, but then again, I might have tender hands.
HK: No new pistols. New piston driven ARs in 5.56 and 7.62 still a year away.
Para USA: US plant now open, new GI Expert, basic GI .45 with just a few improvements, and a new AR rifle, with different operating system that allows folding and telescoping stock.
Ruger: Shows its new polymer frame 5 shot revolver in 38 +P. DAO with concealed hammer, with a real radical look. All Model 77 Mark II hunting rifles pretty much replaced by Hawkeye Rifles with similar configurations to the ones they replaced. Mini 14s with flash suppressors and high cap mags are now standard and offered to commercial market.
SIG: Showing its new "Colt Mustang" in .380 (yeah, I said Colt Mustang - it is a little Colt Mustang - 1911 type - but with slide cuts and shape to match the SIG look in the SIG 1911s). Called SIG 238, I think. SIG also ahd the 45 versions of the new 250, but, like all 250s, the trigger pull is long and heavy and the gun has a wide slide and is not conducive to any sort of real concealed carry.
Taurus: As usual, lots of stuff shown in non-working prototypes that will never see the light of day. I do not buy Taurus products.
Vltor (the people who make stocks and accessories for ARs) were showing prototypes of their re-do of the Bren Ten. It goes under the name Fortis and will use EAA Witness 15 round 10mm magazines. It is to be offered in 45 also. Samples looked good, but delivery seems to be months away.
Walther: New PK380, same look as P22 but in .380.
Winchester: Model 70s are back with Controlled round feed, built at FN's plant. Model 94s later this year or early next year.
Savage: New AccuStock 3D aluminum full length bedding for most of its rifles to go along with accutrigger introduced a couple years ago.
Remington: New 887 polymer wrapped shotgun with modern look, supposedly impervious to all moisture and corrosion, but not very user friendly design. Ambi bolt release is located so that you smash your finger when you rack the slide while holding the bolt release. Don't ask how I know that! New rifle ammo called .30 AR for use in AR length magazines. Seems like something the military should look into as it works in the 5.56 length magazine and action of the standard AR/M16/M4 platform.
With ammo prices gone crazy, the latest craze is 22 versions of "assault rifles." Very realistic versions of the HK MP5, Colt M4 (by Umarex, licensed by Colt), and the S&W M&P15/M4 were shown.
There is also a J frame 3 inch with ported barrel for the .327 Mag cartridge.
I am probably missing something as I am tired, but I think that covers most of it at S&W.
Other SHOT Show items of interest:
Rumors were flying that (1) Beretta bought Glock - NOT TRUE and (2) Cerberus Capital Management bought S&W - also NOT TRUE.
S&W M&Ps in 9, 40 and 45 in all frame sizes and barrel lengths were just approved for individual purchase by DEA agents after very rigorous testing.
Beretta was bragging about a new 450,000 unit pistol order from the army for M9 pistols, but I have the impression that it is through the Tank and Armaments command for procurement for other countries, but not sure about that.
Browning: no new centerfire pistols.
Colt: New 1911 stainless with picatinny rail, Delta Elite shown as new item again this year, basically the same line up as in recent years, although they had an entirely new booth with lots of flat screen TVs with fancy computer simulations and other info playing.
CZ: New versions of the CZ75 called SP01 and SP01 Phantom holding 19 rounds, with decocker or safety. CZ97 .45 new option of decocker in addition to thumb safety model. New P07 duty model with Omega trigger system which can be changed by end user from decocker to thumb safety model without gunsmith. Alice Poluchova, President in booth greeting people, friendly as ever and looking very nice indeed. Referred to by someone in an article about her bear hunt as the "Czech Chick." She is really cool and the only lady pres of a gun company that I know of.
Detonics: There with its line of 1911s, including the old combat master mini 45.
EAA: I have no idea if they had new stuff as I was too busy looking at Heather, the long legged blonde from their ads who was signing autographs. Much thinner in person than she looks in pictures. Very charming and nice person.
FN: Says its new SCAR 16 will not be available to anyone except stocking dealers who purchase a "stocking dealer package of guns" at about $8,000.00 cost. SCAR 17 in .308 is still a year away. FNP 45 in USG version (allows cocked and locked and decocking on same lever). All FNs come with three mags. The 45 with one 15 round mag and two 14 round mags if you get the shooters pack.
Glock: Nothing new except new RTF pistol - a Model 22 with a new "Rough Textured Frame" which has different slide serrations. I found the new frame texture too sharp, but then again, I might have tender hands.
HK: No new pistols. New piston driven ARs in 5.56 and 7.62 still a year away.
Para USA: US plant now open, new GI Expert, basic GI .45 with just a few improvements, and a new AR rifle, with different operating system that allows folding and telescoping stock.
Ruger: Shows its new polymer frame 5 shot revolver in 38 +P. DAO with concealed hammer, with a real radical look. All Model 77 Mark II hunting rifles pretty much replaced by Hawkeye Rifles with similar configurations to the ones they replaced. Mini 14s with flash suppressors and high cap mags are now standard and offered to commercial market.
SIG: Showing its new "Colt Mustang" in .380 (yeah, I said Colt Mustang - it is a little Colt Mustang - 1911 type - but with slide cuts and shape to match the SIG look in the SIG 1911s). Called SIG 238, I think. SIG also ahd the 45 versions of the new 250, but, like all 250s, the trigger pull is long and heavy and the gun has a wide slide and is not conducive to any sort of real concealed carry.
Taurus: As usual, lots of stuff shown in non-working prototypes that will never see the light of day. I do not buy Taurus products.
Vltor (the people who make stocks and accessories for ARs) were showing prototypes of their re-do of the Bren Ten. It goes under the name Fortis and will use EAA Witness 15 round 10mm magazines. It is to be offered in 45 also. Samples looked good, but delivery seems to be months away.
Walther: New PK380, same look as P22 but in .380.
Winchester: Model 70s are back with Controlled round feed, built at FN's plant. Model 94s later this year or early next year.
Savage: New AccuStock 3D aluminum full length bedding for most of its rifles to go along with accutrigger introduced a couple years ago.
Remington: New 887 polymer wrapped shotgun with modern look, supposedly impervious to all moisture and corrosion, but not very user friendly design. Ambi bolt release is located so that you smash your finger when you rack the slide while holding the bolt release. Don't ask how I know that! New rifle ammo called .30 AR for use in AR length magazines. Seems like something the military should look into as it works in the 5.56 length magazine and action of the standard AR/M16/M4 platform.
With ammo prices gone crazy, the latest craze is 22 versions of "assault rifles." Very realistic versions of the HK MP5, Colt M4 (by Umarex, licensed by Colt), and the S&W M&P15/M4 were shown.
