FBI still using 10mm?
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ArchAngelCD
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what would make you think this ammo is from a "eally fresh govt. contract"???
Ummm, Federal is the name of the ammo company, not ammo for the Federal Government.
Ummm, Federal is the name of the ammo company, not ammo for the Federal Government.
FCC date on box of 2006 and XM is Federal designation for govt contract overrun ammo. All the Lake City (govt ammo plant run by Federal) 5.56 and 7.62 overrun ammo is in boxes marked XM. Also I did an internet search on the MP5 10mm, lots of info out there on this weapon being used by the FBI and law enforcement agencies.
nightshade2x
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Sheesh...tough crowd around here eh Mack?
That is some neat ammo...love to have a box or two of it.
Have fun and be safe.
Nightshade2x
That is some neat ammo...love to have a box or two of it.
Have fun and be safe.
Nightshade2x
I don’t really “care” I just appreciate the 10mm as a cartridge and thought others on the forum might be interested in the fact that it is still fulfilling a law enforcement need.
This is an ammo related forum.
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Harrison
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Why would the FBI be using FMJ ammo? They are a civilian agency. The military maybe but not the FBI.
Did I miss seeing a FSN# on those boxes?
Did I miss seeing a FSN# on those boxes?
+1 on both accounts. I think I got mine from Ammo to Go.
It's probably not new-just sitting on a shelf somewhere for a long time.
Most LE agencies including the FBI use FMJ's for practice.
Chromedhearts
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Them 10mm Truncated FMJ's are nothing to snear at. Mighty effective against auto body, sheet metal and glass, and other moderately hard cover. Any where over penetration is not as likely.
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Mack,
Great photos! Thanks for sharing. Did you pick that ammo up just recently? If you did, may I ask where?
I'm just wondering what's so special about this XM10 ammo for Federal to print "10mm AUTO SPL" on the box label. Possibly a reduced velocity loading. Any ideas?
Federal uses the "XM" prefix on their product numbers for limited run or special orders. These XM products can be made for LEAs here in the states or for agencies outside the U.S. Federal will put these products out for sale on the civilian market when they have an over-run of product, if the product is rejected by the end-user or if they screwed up something at the factory which doesn't meet the end-user's criteria.
A few years back Federal sold off a whole bunch of 9mm that was made for the Taiwanese National Police. It was rejected because it didn't meet their criteria for water-proofing.
Great photos! Thanks for sharing. Did you pick that ammo up just recently? If you did, may I ask where?
I'm just wondering what's so special about this XM10 ammo for Federal to print "10mm AUTO SPL" on the box label. Possibly a reduced velocity loading. Any ideas?
Federal uses the "XM" prefix on their product numbers for limited run or special orders. These XM products can be made for LEAs here in the states or for agencies outside the U.S. Federal will put these products out for sale on the civilian market when they have an over-run of product, if the product is rejected by the end-user or if they screwed up something at the factory which doesn't meet the end-user's criteria.
A few years back Federal sold off a whole bunch of 9mm that was made for the Taiwanese National Police. It was rejected because it didn't meet their criteria for water-proofing.
firearmsunlimited
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The field agents that I have run across are using .40 S&W in a Sig P226 or P228. The Hostage Rescue and Critical Response Teams are using .45acp in a Springfield Armory TRP Professional model.
Big Cholla
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Most of the 'high speed/low drag/ federal agency teams have taken up the H&K MP 10 as their 'go to' sub gun. That is where a lot of 10mm ammo is going. .............. Big Cholla
remat457
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It is still listed on the website:
http://www.fbi.gov/page2/nov08/swat_111708.htm
Click on primary weapon
From the archives:
Federal Bureau of Investigation - How To, Use Our Resources
http://www.fbi.gov/page2/nov08/swat_111708.htm
Click on primary weapon
From the archives:
Federal Bureau of Investigation - How To, Use Our Resources
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BUFF
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I would be curious to know to what power level this is being loaded to. Full-power 10mm Auto pushes a 200 grain jacketed bullet to 1,200 fps from a 5 inch barrel. The ammo adopted by the FBI for issue to agents was lighter, a lighter 180 grain bullet loaded to a reduced velocity of 950 fps, quite a ways down from full power but still a serious load.
The FBI level ammo was referred to as, variously, the FBI 10, the 10mm Minus-P, the Attenuated Ten and such.
I'd be interested in a few boxes of this 180 grain FMJ stuff if it is full power, 1,200 fps or more. Federal makes pretty good ammunition. For folks carrying a 10mm autopistol into the big woods, this loading would be a fair offering for bears and the defense from thereof.
The FBI level ammo was referred to as, variously, the FBI 10, the 10mm Minus-P, the Attenuated Ten and such.
I'd be interested in a few boxes of this 180 grain FMJ stuff if it is full power, 1,200 fps or more. Federal makes pretty good ammunition. For folks carrying a 10mm autopistol into the big woods, this loading would be a fair offering for bears and the defense from thereof.
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ArchAngelCD
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I didn't know that, thanks...
A neighbor that lives basically across the street from me is retiring in Nov from the FBI after 32 yrs service. He currently carries a .40 cal. Glock but told me recently they were getting new sidearms issued soon but he will not be getting one due to retirement. The new ones will be of a different brand and caliber. He is not sure what the new guns will be.
scooter123
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I'd be interested in knowing where the OP found this ammo and it's cost. As someone who shoots a 610, a source of somewhat inexpensive 10mm would be a real "find", even if it was only temporary. Currently the 610 gets fed the 40 S&W because 10mm locally is just too expensive.
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