Face to Face sales are hopefully a thing of the past, people selling guns to unknowns, it's legal now, but how well do they know who they are selling a firearm to? You don't! IF have a conscience, selling your next gun face to face, the next morning, on the TV, there's the nice guy whom purchased your firearm to, and he killed his family! Now your the problem... You purchase a car, you have it transfered, you don't have to, but you want to protect your self, so you do. Your just afraid someone going to take your guns. When you do a legal transfer the goverment doen't know what you purchased, they know you want to purchase, it's the same background check the sheriff does for a carry permit, no different.

So if I want to give my son-in-law one of my revolvers I have to involve the government?

Uh, no thanks.

Excuse me, but that line of thinking is bizarre.
What if...I sold my house, the family moved in and an asteroid fell on the place and killed them all? That transfer certainly involves a government.... but does it save the family from the asteroid!? NO.
Let's use your example of automobile transfer. Does the registration system prevent the new owner from getting drunk or crazy and killing a busload of schoolkids? NO
The lie is that elimination of face to face transfers will save lives. And that is magical thinking.
The reality is that elimination of private property is an agenda item of gun control supporters, whether intentionally advanced, or supported by misguided liberals.
My conscience tells me that as a citizen of the United States of America, many many lives have been lost to preserve and protect the Constitution, and that I have taken an oath sworn before God and my fellows, to support and defend the Constitution. I have not relinquished my oath.

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What is the insatiable desire to get the government involved? If I don't like someones sales method, I don't buy. What ever happened to accepting responsibility and standing on our own two feet...
My apologies for getting so far from the technical aspect of ammo. This is a 2nd Amendment issue, I believesss....

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You are correct. My first instinct is to avoid government intervention into most anything. I guess I let my emotions get the better of me, and was thinking out loud.
I suppose this does bleed over into second amendment territory. It does seem that it would be harder to excersize one's second amendment right if once cannot get ammunition.

You've really gotten off topic here, and have went well beyond my bout of not thinking things through as well.
What if I sold that guy a car, and saw on the news where he got drunk and ran it into a busload of preschoolers? Is that my fault as well? Other than a car not being a guaranteed right, what is the difference?

Side by Side, Please answer me one question honestly. Do you really believe that if "face to face" sales are made illegal, and all sales must go through a background check, that it will keep guns out of the wrong hands?

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Give it to your son in law, then a few years he sells it to another person face to face, a few year later that handgun is found at a murder, they trace it back to you? and/or that handgun was used on a close relative of yours. All they have is a handgun, can't trace to whom is was transfer to because your only thinking of your self!!! Your afraid of the goverment, and that is altering your life! Are you storing your money under your bed or in a bank?

No I don't belive all f to f sales are illegal. But I do know of many people who can'T own firearms look to purchase firearms from private people,because of that. I will not purchase a gun,unlesss myself and the seller will transfer, It may be stolen,who knows, basically the reason we all cash checks,do title search's before purchasing a home, transfer a title to a car.

Please re-read my question. You did not answer it.

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If you sold a guy a stolen car, or a car that the VIN was altered that changes everything,Right? Lets go even one step further, you fixed up a wreck, sold it to a person and they were killed because what you did???????? The point is it was transfered to them,they now have rights and are protected, but if it was a f to f deal(title not signed over) you could claim they stole it.

Yes, I do believe most face to face sales are don't to prevent the goverment of knowing that a person that can't own a firearm is purchasing one through the backdoor. I do believe if ALL Sale would go through a background check it would Start to keep the guns out of the wrong hands, but there are so many guns out there it will not stop the killing of children,etc. But it's a start,mental health is another big item. But to say it will stop guns in the wrong hands that will never happen. Just sitting around typing on this forum isn't going to stop it either. If your not part of the solution your part of the problem. I also would like to see people go through a background check for ammo..... If it save's on life it would be worth it, who know's it may be your life,your childrens or your grandchildrens life that would be saved. We need to stop thinking of our selfs. We are so close to these third world countrys with the killings

Well, thank you for the answer. I have a lot to say, but I don't want thrown off this forum. So all I'll say is....................WOW!!!!

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Sounds like Joe Biden is a member here.

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I know!!!! I cant believe how many people say that... "lets give up our freedom to save one life". Tell that to the people who give up THEIR life for YOUR freedoms.

How does that saying go... something like "Those willing to sacrifice permanent liberty for temporary security deserve neither."

All of these people ready to give up rights for a false sense of security make me sick!

If not Joe, his twin brother maybe?

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"it's for the children".....always is.

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Don't feed the trolls.

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Let's take aother stab at this.

Let's say I had a yard sale and sold the same hypothetical guy a chainsaw, and he went home, cut a tree down with it, and it fell on his wife. My fault? Should we have a background check for chainsaws?

By the way....what's all this have to do with scalping ammunition?

I guess I have to think like you,RIGHT OR WRONG? IF ONE OF YOUR CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN WERE KILL I BET YOU WOULD FEEL DIFFERENT. But sitting behind the key pad your tough, an to say a few lives are nothing, to spare my freedom. I found the problem, it's your thinking.

No. You need not think like me. It would be helpful if you would try thinking logically. That was the flaw in my original post; I was thinking with feeling and not logic. Turns out I was wrong. I'm glad the good people on this forum were kind enough to show that to me.

Saving just one life can not be the standard used for any laws. The president has said that many times but it's not right. If that were the standard then why aren't cars outlawed because nor children lose their life in car accidents every years than to gun violence. There are many dozens of other examples that outdo gun deaths too but no one in government would think to try and ban them because it's ridiculous but guns, yes guns they will go after even though it's just as ridiculous!!!

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If that works, we should make it against the law to sell cocaine and herion f to f. Drug problem solved!

I hear that phrase every day from the anti's, along with "everyone is for reasonable(or common sense) gun control", for which they never define.

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You claim to support free market principles, yet you want to sic BATFE, IRS, and probably other alphabet soup agencies on those who engage in peaceful activities with which you disapprove.

Do you see the inconsistency here?

One of the biggest problems our republic faces is the constant threat of the loss of our freedoms because some busybodies disapprove of peaceful activities that others choose to engage in.

Consider your favorite peaceful activity. Maybe it's playing guitar. Maybe it's taking photographs. Maybe it's buying and selling marbles. Or anything else you can think of. Do you really want your freedom to engage in that favorite peaceful activity taken from you simply because one person or 100 people or a million people think you shouldn't be doing what you love doing?

If you want the freedom to pursue your idea of happiness, you MUST be willing to tolerate others doing the same, so long as they cause no harm to your life, liberty, or property rights.

If you love freedom, you love others' freedom as much as your own.

Now you got it! Dang, why haven't the caring members of society thunk of this? And drunk driving, we could make that against the law and save 40 thousand lives a year! Insurance would be cheap if we outlawed theft, too. Health care costs would plummet if we outlawed cancer, too. This is grate, my eyes have been opend right here. magsherman, you an me need to team up with this double barrel s/s guy and change the world. Whattaya say?

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This is a Vaudeville skit, right? Like "Who's On First?"

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O.K. I get it, this is a practice drill the moderators have put up so we can try to make sense out of antigun foolishness and illogical argument.
GOOD ONE GUYS! Completely fooled this old fool.

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If you follow his posts he has reconsidered his position. I admire his bravery to admit as much in public. This Tennessee guy Greg is shaping up to be one honorable hombre.

In many states, this practice *IS* illegal. See
Ticket Scalping in Criminal Law - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

I believe blujax covered this.

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Q: Is a person who reloads ammunition required to be licensed as a manufacturer?
Yes, if the person engages in the business of selling or distributing reloads for the purpose of livelihood and profit. No, if the person reloads only for personal use.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a) (i) and 923(a), 27 CFR 478.41]

I believe that refers to the person who is doing the reloading, selling, and distributing, not a second party who is only involved in resale.