Poppycock. I advocate no such thing, and would appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth. If voting with our wallets, however, constitutes "social welfare" in your lexicon, then so be it; I have neither the time nor inclination to argue the semantics of this.

Also, just for the record, I subscribe more to the late Milton Friedman than Paul Krugman.

Additionally, I stand by my assertion that profiteers are the parasites as opposed to the creators of capital in a free market. We'll just have to agree to disagree before this thread gets a lock placed on it, which would be unfortunate.

I Gotta correct you here... your last sentence should read
The "beating a dead horse" emoticon NEEDED....

Everyone going against everything you write has no ammo and is pissed... I'd love to see if one of em was sitting on 100,000 rounds of 22LR now.... if they'd be sooooooooooooo concerned about their "fellow shooters"... and selling it at 18.95 a brick!

Nope... auction it, like you would a high end firearm, and let Mr. Market set the price.

If they cannot understand that that is not greed, nor "gouging" then the "I'm a dumb...." emoticon IS needed here...

Call one of the auction houses and tell them they are taking advantage of people.

Start with the auto auction in Scottsdale where cars normally sell for two times or 3 times value because............. drum roll........... MR MARKET sets the price.

Then call here and tell them THEY are taking advantage of poor poor people who did not have the foresight to buy 100 years ago...
They need to sell you that 100 year old Colt at cost 100 years ago cause you are a fellow firearms owner....

http://www.rockislandauction.com/

And Oh my Lord....will you look at their ammo prices!
http://www.rockislandauction.com/sea...936/ammunition
HORRIBLE HORRIBLE people. Making money and all that.

All you people who didn't buy before,,,,,,,,,, STOP CRYING.

For the new guys who just got into shooting...... look hard and do as good as you can on purchases... but buy a little each week or month as you are able.

Got no ammo either,huh?

time to look into reloading...you get what you want,when you want it...and save a ton...all of this ammo hoarding does not affect me one bit....i have plenty of .22 rimfire and reload the various other calibers that i shoot....

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KK4EMO

no bank will ever give you 150k to buy a 125k house. I see myself as the bank.

...and not everyone is rich and can afford to buy ammo to stockpile. yes I have a mortgage, 2 car loans, student loans, and a 8 month old boy along with daycare. me and my wife have full time jobs. guess ill start working 12hr days to fund my ammo stash. maybe I should just live off of Obama. lol

its amazing how much stuff u can stir up around here. lol

No shortage of opinions on a gun board lol

Most people don't plan to fail, they just fail to plan. Once you get burned by a few cycles, you'll stock up a bit too. Then a bit more the next time, and so on. There are quite a few people I know who aren't even affected by the shortages (I'm one myself). I really don't like 22 LR myself, and I can manufacture almost any other load I may need myself. This is independence in it's truest form.

I’ve posted a few threads (admin closed…) relating my total disgust to what is going on with ammo sellers and Gun Broker… with that said… The shortage is not just sudden panic demand, we now have a TON of new gun owners over the last year or 3, that understand s the government is out of control, and owning a firearm is now mandatory. So the “shortage” is here to stay until supply is increased… and at the rate .gov keeps buying hollow points… we’re all sheeple.

wish I worked at an ammo plant. unlimited supply at your fingertips and probably making some sweet OT!

Did anyone else hear Banjos when Glockboy talked?

Ok seriously through this I am quite surprised how many "gun Owners" really must stop at Wally World on the way to shoot. My brother inlaw yesterday told me about his box of 50 22 he had and told his son not to shoot unless its worth shooting at its too valuable right now

Over the years I am in a store I see a fair deal on ammo I pick up a box or two a good deal maybe 10 Today I am set I dont need to pay the high prices. I have shared with a few friends (and share with me) who needed ammo and either said just replace it to me when you can or I know the LGS is selling this for XXX when he gets it take your choice.

I was at a store today and they had brass 9mm for 9.95 they had a two box limit OK I got my 2 if there was not a limit I would have bought 5 or 10 this is my target price for 9mm I have a couple Colt ARs in 9 with quite a few Semis and its easy to burn lots AND FUN TO BURN LOTS.
But am am slowing down I have bought stored cared for this ammo its for me and my family to enjoy
Hank

Does anyone care about this thread?

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Kinda like does anyone care about Springer someone must its been on for 20 years (OK you got me if I am in my office working its on)
Please keep it a secret
Hank

don't look at it if u don't like it. are we forcing u to?

Apparently so, there have been 60+ responces.

I'm in no way individually wealthy, when I decided that I wanted to add an AR to my collection, I started picking up 223 before I even recieved the rifle.

I was fortunate and picked up 300 rounds from Cabelas right after Thankfiving for $99.00.

I returned a week later and picked up another 300 for the same price.

Since then, I pick up a box here and there when I can find it at my LGS, gun show, or WalMart and I've added 600+ more rounds to my cache.

No huge outlay of cash, just being diligent and made buying ammo a priority. I've sacrificed many a fast food lunch the last few months and instead used that to purchase ammo.

It can be done without resorting to buying from the inflated secondary market.

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Nope. I've got plenty. In fact, I dumped a bunch of 9mm duty ammo I no longer had a need for at my LGS before the panic buying started, and probably not a moment too soon either.

Sorry guy. You were hoping I was the grasshopper and not the ant, weren't ya?

If somebody pays me $80 for a 500 round brick, guess what? I will sell it to him

Waaaa Waaa Waaaa. Now your rights are being trampled on because ammo costs more?

Ammo is available. Period. If you want it, pay the going rate! Everyone who is buying ammo is paying the going rate, whether they buy from Walmart or gun broker.

But if you want to sell that new gun of yours, I'll give you 50% of what you paid for it. It is used after all.

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No...but now I see more clearly.

You sold YOUR ammo BEFORE the price rise and are upset you missed out on a great opportunity.

Nah. I still made a good chunk of money from selling 50+ boxes at $10 a box, plus I was happy to do business with the owner of my LGS who's been really good to me over the years. He also deserved to make a profit by virtue of being the owner of a brick and mortar business who actually reinvests his profits into capital (i.e. his business) unlike opportunistic scalpers who are looking for short term gains by feeding off of the desperation of others.

Anything else you'd like to add? Your assumptions are most entertaining.

So:
By not forcing the store owner to purchase his stock at the going rate (the market price) you are subsidizing him "for the good of the public."

Or:
You are simply helping out a friend in need - which I think all of us would do in a heartbeat.

Yeah..let me know next time your "LGS" who has been so "good to you over the years" sells to you at cost.

Anyone who had the brains to lay out x amount of dollars, and is now selling at a profit is smart, not feeding off the desperation of others, as no one has to pay a nickel more than they want to. ( ie: free market)

Anything else you'd like to add? Your opinion of how markets work are most entertaining.

I see you are of the "buy high, sell low" mentality.

And who, by the way, gave you authority to proclaim who "deserves" to make money on ANYTHING?

I just don't like the people who have no firearm background going and buying all sorts of ammo for the purpose of resale online. it is hard for me to find ammo because when the store opens, i'm at work. by the time i'm off, no ammo. I live in Illinois so you cannot buy ammo online. the store is my only option. now if I were to get a ffl, it could be shipped to me.

I stocked up on 40 S&W before everything got so crazy. I'm a pretty new shooter and need the practice. I'm not going to sell any for any reason. Not buying either, unless It's a great buy.

Well said Erick

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In the summer of 2011 and 2012 (hopefully this year too) I used to flip vintage Honda motorcycles. I could buy a CB900 custom for a couple hundred bucks, put a few hours of work into it, and spin it for +/- $1,000. A profit of $800 is great, at least for a side-job.

Ammo is the same way. If you can buy it for $10 a box and sell it for $30, by all means do so. If you are concerned about the gouging, do what I did and either A) Stock up after this storm rolls over, or B) start reloading and stock up on supplies.

I listed up five boxes of 9mm Tulammo on Armslist with "make offer" as the price. I paid $10 a box and was willing to sell it all for what I had paid. I got 20+ emails offering $20/box. THEY offered it, not ME. If one person offers you $10, and the other offers $20, who are you going to sell it to?

I do partly agree with you though- if people stopped feeding into it, the market would eventually flood with ammo, making it become cheaper. Its all about supply and demand, and what people are willing to pay.

ammo to us is like pizza to a fat guy....cant ever have enough of it!!!

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More like for the good of his business. Added foot traffic is meaningless when you've got nothing to sell.

I repay those who are good to me; it's the least I can do.

Not at cost, but damn near cost, especially when I make big purchases. Always has, still does. Jealous?

Anyone who cleans the ammo shelves of a brick and mortar for the sole purpose of auctioning it all off on Gonzo Broker for 2-3x retail price or more is a greedy opportunist. You'll get no sympathy or praise from me for doing that, and you can be rest assured that I'll encourage others not to do business with you.

My opinion is also more educated and informed, but I'm glad you at least find it entertaining.

I bought the overwhelming bulk of my stores back before the panic when the prices were some semblance of "normal." I'll leave others to judge the merit of your statement.

The first article of the Bill of Rights, that's who. Get used to it.

On the one hand, you have the folks who are bitter (and perhaps rightfully so) because they came into the game too late and are now are forced to hunt for ammo or buy it at grossly inflated prices.

On the other hand, you have the curmudgeons who, predictably, dismiss the former as a bunch of whiners and go on to extol the "virtues" of being a greedy profiteer under the guise of "capitalism" and then proceed to defend such behavior as if it were sacrosanct.

Meanwhile, the people who try to bring some reason into the mix and present some very sound and well thought-out posts get squelched out by the humdrum of the arguments from the aforementioned groups.

Before this thread gets a lock put on it, I'm just gonna close with the following:

Is there anything stopping you from going out, buying up all the ammo you can find, and selling it for inflated prices on the secondary market? No. Should we vote with our wallets and not support these people, even if it means that we probably won't be able to buy any ammo in any meaningful amounts for the forseeable future? ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY.

Now... If you were smart, you would've steadily built your stores piecemeal while the prices (and people) were mostly sane. If you waited until now to do this, you've only got yourself to blame when all you can find are bare shelves or insane listings on auction sites. If you're buying up ammo en masse to build your stores quickly because you lacked the foresight to do it gradually over the years, you're adding to the chaos and compounding the "problem." Is there anything stopping you? No, but I reserve the right to criticize you for failing to plan ahead like you should have.

If the price is too high, then you should not buy.

If we all abided by this simple maxim until the storm has been weathered, I think it would do a world of good for our collective sanity and well-being.

We're done here. Mods, slap the lock on.

You may be done. Others of us may not.

How you choose to feel about the ammunition situation and how you choose to define the lines between socialism, capitalism and profiteering is your own opinion and you are welcome to it.

However - when you start to preach about how we should do this or how we would be better off if only we thought and acted like you gets into a completely different territory. To those who choose to have a differing opinion You hurl insults and apply derogatory labels. And when you take that tack, I choose the obviously intelligent solution:

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My Russian mail-order bride's mother has the daily job of going to various gunshops and WalleyWorlds shopping for ammo when the trucks arrive. She does a great job and she says it makes her feel like being back home in the old days in the USSR when she had to wait in long lines to get a little bit of meat at the markets. She has decades of experience with that sort of thing.

P.S. - no, I'm only kidding. I don't have a mailorder bride and dont have a Russian mother-in-law !

These kinda threads are good for b%tching & moaning, but little else. (And I like to b%tch & moan sometimes as much as the next guy.) People will place a value for ammo or anything else, and pay what its worth to them personally. And the price is set by supply & demand. If your supply is in pretty good shape, you may not be willing to pay as much as a guy who didnt stock up. If you come to this forum, you have enough resources to have a computer and pay for the internet service. You have enough resources to own a firearm or two or three. If youre short on ammo you may decide to eliminate the $5 cups of Starbucks or the monthly cable t.v. bill if ammo is a high enough priority for you.
My supply is in pretty good shape; I havent overpaid for any of the ammo I bought since the panic. But there's some 22LR that I wish I had picked up earlier that some of my CZ rifles like. Can't find it online anywhere except at auction sites. Auction prices are above what I'm willing to pay so far. I'm hoping to score a brick or two from my regular sources. But the auction prices on this stuff is slowly heading down, and there's a price I'm willing to pay for it. That price is quite abit above what it went for 6 months ago. I can choose to pay that higher price or gamble that the supply will become available some unknown time in the future.
Everyone else makes these same kind of calculations for themselves when buying anything. Some guy writing 'don't buy X' isnt going to change those personal calculations.

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Didn't watch the video because its nothing more than a bunch of crybabys who are too lazy to get out there and find the ammo they need and blaming others because they cant find ammo. Its out there and all you have to do is get off your backside and go get it.

If this disabled old woman can wait outsde of an Academy with her walker, for 2 hours before it opens at 8am in the January cold and wind you young bucks can do the same thing. I swear what a bunch of lazy wussies.

Or some people, like myself, work long before 8 am until long after the stores are closed. Guess I shouldn't be able to shoot because I'm so lazy.

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Oh, we are also to lock threads when you decide?

Quite a little power trip you seem to be on.

yea, I took off work to stand in line at cabelas for an hour while it was snowing and I got some ammo. I got lucky but i'm not going to use all my vacation time to find ammo when I can be spending it with my family. i'm 25 and work full time. lay off grandma. this is a thread for your opinion, not to judge us.

This is where I'm at. I'm old enough to remember the Gun Control Act of 1968. I got caught light on primers in 1994, but had enough to ride it out. I didn't allow it to happen to me again in 2008 or 2012. My wife, my adult children, and I can shoot at our current rates for a couple of years, and that includes some organized competition.

I feel for those shooters that came into this late. All I can say is don't let it happen to you again and don't pay ridiculous prices. This too shall pass.

I bought my sd40 at the end of december and it was my first common caliber purchase. I have a mosin that I can still buy all the ammo I want for. Im basically screwed, I was worried that i couldnt get ammo for my cc class. I actually had to wait till another class date because I couldnt replace what I was going to shoot for the class. Its taken me almost 4 months to get a few hundred rounds stocked up without paying a buck a round for fmj's. Im all for making money, but when it means someone cant take a simple nra firearms safety course because of some tool walking around the gun store with a wheelbarrel full of ammo, I have a big problem with that.

Well, there's Reality and theres what we'd like to be reality.

I can buy the 22LR ammo I want in the case quantity I want and have it in hand in about a week or so after paying for it.
But its gonna run me more than $65+ per brick.

I can pay that and have the ammo. Or I can choose not to pay that and keep my money.

I can 'hope' that it becomes available by the summer at lower prices than $65 per brick. But that means having little of it to shoot today, as my stocks arent great. Some are confident that the ammo situation will improve. Maybe . . . maybe not. "Normalcy bias" is believing tomorrow will be like yesterday. Its usually true . . . and sometimes it isn't.

What is NOT reality is being able to buy that same 22LR ammo today at the $30 a brick price I paid 6 months ago. All the whining I may do about that won't change that fact one bit.

But, so far, I havent been willing to pay the price to get that 22LR ammo.

If I want the ammo Now, I have to offer a guy enough money to coax him to let go of some.
I have ammo (and guns) that I'm not willing to sell at current market prices, even though they are high. I'd rather have the ammo than the money, and I'm sure other guys think the same.

Im not referring to anyone here. But I'd been advising friends and family for years about guns & ammo and stocking up. I found emails I wrote to one brother going back 3 years telling him it was a good idea to buy a particular rifle and the cheap surplus ammo that was available for it at the time. He never did a thing. The rifle I suggested has more than doubled in price. When the panic hit I advised him on what guns & ammo were now available, and how to get them. Thankfully he actually took action and bought a rifle and some ammo. He paid good, pre panic prices for them. I advised him to buy some ammo for the new rifle in quantity, but he still didn't do so because they have some on the shelves at a local range. (Though youre limited to two 20rd boxes and must shoot it there.)

I get emails from him complaining about the ammo situation.

Sheesh . . . . . How many clues does it take . . . . . to get a clue ?

P.S. - - - that said, the 22 rimfire ammo shortage completely took me by surprise and unprepared. I dont have nearly as much rimfire as I would like.

Let me get this straight. Its someone elses fault that you cannot attend a class. Intresting. I've shot one USPSA match out of 6 so far this year and only one practice session in early January. Noones fault. Just my choice to adapt to the current situation. I've put off 2 classes myself but hey they run the classes every month and I'll do the classes when I feel I can afford to use that much ammo and not cut into my reserve. Simply a choice but not anyones fault.

"Who's the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows it?" - Obi-Wan Kenobi

Where in Ohio are you that you can't find 40 cal?

Zanesville area. Mc sports has zero, as does dunhams, both local walmarts, a lgs, and I even stopped at gander mountain in reynoldsburg last week. Woodburys might, but I havnt been out there for a while. I have a few boxes, but Im not going to shoot any of it unless I can replace it.

MC Sports and Dunham's has never been a reliable source for ammunition IMO. Buckeye Outdoors has it and they're what, 20 minutes away from you? Their ad in today's Columbus Dispatch has 40 cal. Blazer on sale for $18.99/50. Open today 10 AM to 5 PM. (740) 928-3474.

Ive never been there, but heard the shelves are empty there too. But its worth a shot.

Buy from the guy with the wheelbarrow and take your calls and stop complaining.

You are making a conscious choice NOT to take the class because you are cheap. That is no ones fault but your own.

Geez, if you overpay by double for TWO boxes you'll be out a whopping 36 bucks.

I added 2100 rounds of 22LR to my cache yesterday along with 100 rounds of 9mm, a 100 rounds of 556, a 100 rounds of 12 gauge, a new 30 round Pmag, and some cash.

How you ask?

I placed an add on CL to sell or trade an RC rock crawler and listed the amount I wanted for it along with the items I would be interested in trading for it.

I received a few inquiries and went with the one that I felt was the best.

Get creative guys, I had a decent stash before this last round of insanity started.

I have now more than doubled my cache and not payed more than .04 - .06 cents a round by being vigilant, keeping an eye on my Wal Mart app, regularly checking the "In Stock 22LR" thread here on this forum, I have Gun Bot open in a seperate window at all times, I joined an ammo watch group on FB, I check in regularly on MidWest Gun Trader, placing adds on CL for trades, and anything else I can think of.

Like I said before, I'm not thrilled with the lack of availability at the retail level or with the prices of what is available in the secondary market.

But it's a free market, no one is being forced to purchase this astronomically priced commodity. One CAN get ammo and not pay the astronomical secondary market prices and I'm proof of that.

Good luck, stay the course, and think outside the box.

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? I did take the class. Cheap or not, around my area you can have a wad of cash but theres no ammo to buy with said cash.