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I don't see it as an investment. Everyone has some sort of Mad Max senerio going on from watching too many movies. And if you think a ban on say green tip 556 is going to create some kind of havoc...it wont. There will be an initial spike then it will settle down and people will still continue to buy and sell green tip 556 cause of how much there is already. This has been proven twice. Once with Chinese 7.62x39 and just recently with 5.45x39.
Chinese 7.62x39 is now considered collectable and is worth slightly more than 308 range ammo. That's after 22 years. Surplus 5.45 had an small initial run but despite being banned there is still so much of it that the prices really weren't effected considering that we also had 2 panics. Prices are about $50 more than they were 10 years ago and a can of 1080 rounds is about $200
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12-27-2015, 10:30 AM
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Everyone has some sort of Mad Max scenario going on from watching too many movies.
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I haven't watched a Mad Max movie ( or anything similar) since the original back in 1979. Check out this sub-forum for the crazy kinds of nonsense driving me: http://smith-wessonforum.com/2nd-amendment-forum/
I still remember the great ammo shortage and price spikes of 2013. And look at all that's happening after just one successful terrorist attack within our borders... when it's a near certainty that a whole lot more of them will be coming.
Investment for profit? No. Investment to avoid what I believe are crazy laws, shortages and price spikes coming? Yes.
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You will be lucky to beat inflation over the long haul. Ammo like most gun related things are a bad investment.
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Ammo like most gun related things are a bad investment.
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Oh Dear Lord!!! Please don't let my wife read this post!!!
She will leave me for certain!
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I always joke one of my greatest fears after I die is that my wife will sell all my guns for "what I told her i paid for them".
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I haven't watched a Mad Max movie ( or anything similar) since the original back in 1979. Check out this sub-forum for the crazy kinds of nonsense driving me: http://smith-wessonforum.com/2nd-amendment-forum/
I still remember the great ammo shortage and price spikes of 2013. And look at all that's happening after just one successful terrorist attack within our borders... when it's a near certainty that a whole lot more of them will be coming.
Investment for profit? No. Investment to avoid what I believe are crazy laws, shortages and price spikes coming? Yes.
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This is why you should dollar cost avg your ammo buying. Buy a certain $$$ amount every month like clockwork. Set a par, for example enough 9mm to last a year of regular shooting, for each caliber or round you shoot and keep it at that level. I also buy in bulk in order to drive the unit cost down.
Get the best deal you can each month so that you are spreading the cost over a timeframe so that the spikes don't hurt you as much and you are not constantly guessing the market. Yes you will buy some ammo at higher prices but you also won't miss the lows. You also keep up with your pars so when a real shortage happen you don't have to buy and can wait it out.
I did not buy much ammo from late 2012 to early 2014. Some here and there when I found a good deal but I never ran out. I still have a few thousand rounds of 22LR from pre 2013 purchases.
This type of investing in ammo make sense to me. For a profit not so much.
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12-30-2015, 12:13 AM
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Collectable guns are an investment
Ammo is insurance
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12-30-2015, 05:04 AM
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I don't see it as an investment. Everyone has some sort of Mad Max senerio going on from watching too many movies. And if you think a ban on say green tip 556 is going to create some kind of havoc...it wont. There will be an initial spike then it will settle down and people will still continue to buy and sell green tip 556 cause of how much there is already. This has been proven twice. Once with Chinese 7.62x39 and just recently with 5.45x39.
Chinese 7.62x39 is now considered collectable and is worth slightly more than 308 range ammo. That's after 22 years.
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Chinese 7.62x39 is collectable? Seriously? Hadn't heard about
that. Some of us may still have a stash of Chinese 7.62x39.
What's the soure of information?
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12-30-2015, 05:24 AM
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If you bought ammo when 7.62x39 was 99 a case and 223 was 139 a case you could make money . I wouldnt tell every one you have it when they try and take it or make you get an licence to even have that much . I think the time is coming now you wont even be able to buy a case of what ever you want .
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12-30-2015, 08:46 AM
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Chinese 7.62x39 is collectable? Seriously? Hadn't heard about
that. Some of us may still have a stash of Chinese 7.62x39.
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Been like that for a long time. Look it up on GB. $0.60 - $1 per round
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Sounds like the classic and well-respected "buy high, sell low" set-up for financial failure to me...
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The biggest dividend of buying large amounts of ammo is making you a better shot...As an investment, pre war Smiths and Colts would be better in the long run.
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Hmmmmm, investment.
Many different ways to view that.
I'm investing in ammo/components because it ain't getting any cheaper and it ain't gonna get any cheaper. I won't spend money that I don't have and I'll only spend money that would be left in "cash". I also will only buy what I believe I can consume in my remaining years.
With those parameters, ammo/components have been a great investment of late.
IF I believed we'd get to SHTF, I think there is merit to the bartering theory but I'm more inclined to believe food on the table and self defense is the goal. Fortunately, there are so many incapable people roaming the streets that the herd will thin of its own inability to survive.
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Sounds like the classic and well-respected "buy high, sell low" set-up for financial failure to me...
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You're right. Buying any stocks right now at close to their highs Is not sound investing. Some here are suggesting buying a stock after it just doubled.
Op, $10k on ammo is a nice start for your friend. Does he think it will will be cheaper at today's price or a year or ten from now? Better hard assets than 1s and 0s on a computer.
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How about real bad dudes find out your buddy is sitting on a ammo depot. Will he take their I O U, cause they sure ain't going pay.
Let's say he tell's friends he's got the ammo they NEED. Boxes of 9mm FMJ WWB for $50.00 a box. Now he just PO'd the guy. He spreads the word buddy x has ammo, but ripping friends off on price. Word spreads, mob forms, and he lose's more than his ammo.
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If he was sitting on $10,000 worth of anything else, would the same "bad dudes" just ignore him? Or if he tried to sell any other commodity to his friends at a rip-off price? Also ammo seems very non-value-dense. It weighs a lot for what it is worth. So it would be a bigger pain to steal than almost anything else of similar value.
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