Ammo for WWII 1911

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Acting on impulse I am getting my first 1911 -- a WWII Ithaca

Never having considered a 1911, what factory ammo meets the bill of relatively low pressure easy to feed ammo for an antique in excellent condition that will be shot at the range.

Not looking for anything special. For example, for my other guns, which are also shot at the range, I have been pleased with American Eagle 357 Magnum, Remington green and white .40 and Federal Blue Box .243

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Congratulations on the new Ithaca! They are getting to be very collectable and valuable. Yours looks like a very nice one.

Recoil-operated semiautomatics need ammunition loaded to a certain pressure level to function reliably. The .45 ACP's standard loading since 1905 has been a 230 grain round nose jacketed bullet loaded to about 850-860 feet per second. It is the bullet weight, shape, pressure and velocity that your Ithaca was designed to shoot and for which the sights were dimensioned to hit with. That has been the standard U.S. military loading since they adopted the 1911 and I would guess that, 105 years later, it is the loading produced, bought and shot in probably 75-85% of commercial .45 ACP ammo as well. Pretty well any ammunition company that loads .45 ACP loads that flavor of it.

I shoot primarily Federal's American Eagle red box and Winchester-Western brands when I buy it. It is very good stuff and I like their brass for reloading.

I carried Colt 1911's in .45 ACP at work for the last 22 of my 32 years on the job there. The department contracted with Federal for both training and duty ammo. I probably shot 40-50,000 rounds of the department's Federal AE45A during that time. I never had a single bad round.

Also, Remington loads it, Speer loads it, CCI loads it, foreign ammo makers load it.

My advice is to stick to factory loaded ammo from company names you recognize, and to stick with brass cartridge cases. There are brands that use steel cartridges cases instead of brass, but although some swear by them because they are a little bit cheaper, many people have had problems with it.

I bought my last ammo from SGAmmo.com, they have very competitive prices and shipping costs.

There are, like any other cartridge, other varieties of loadings with bullets lighter and heavier, pressures higher (Plus-P) and lower (mid-range match), lead bullets, soft- and hollow-point bullets, but they are all for specific uses, and older 1911's generally won't cycle them reliably without some tuning to spring weights, extractor tuning and feed ramp contouring and polishing. Ignore all that.

Standard pressure, 230 grain round nose full metal jacket, Ithaca 1911-A1.

Yeah, baby!
 
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Good call on the recoil spring replace, however if the 1911a1 is all original save that spring, it is wound the other way and is worth keeping. When I shoot my '44 Remington Rand, I change out the spring, shoot , than put the old spring back in.
 
Acting on impulse I am getting my first 1911 -- a WWII Ithaca

Never having considered a 1911, what factory ammo meets the bill of relatively low pressure easy to feed ammo for an antique in excellent condition that will be shot at the range.
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Don't overthink this. Keep it simple by not getting all into spring rates and other esoteric data.

I shoot my WWII Ithaca and Remington Rand 1911A1s and a 1918 Colt on a fairly regular basis.

Factory hardball. 230-grain FMJ. Usually from Remington-UMC or American Eagle. No off brand stuff.

Shoot it. Have fun with it. Clean it. Repeat as needed.

Congratulations on your purchase. Nothing wrong with that kind of "impulse". Wouldn't mind seeing some more photos of your pistol. It's an excellent weapon.
 
If that pistol has all the original parts it looks like a collector grade $1200 & up. I have a box of 45 ammo with a 42 head stamp.:cool: Is that an F.J.A. inspector gun?
 
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About 15 years ago I had a large quantity of the WWII GI steel-cased .45 ACP ammo I bought cheap, something like $3.00 per box for around 20 boxes. I shot it up in my M1911 (a real Colt M1911 from WWI). It worked fine, no misfires. Only thing is that it was corrosive so I gave the gun a water bath after every use. Not so good in my M1917 - fired cases had a tendency to stick in its chambers.
 
The mildest standard Factory Hardball ammo I know of is the current Remington and Winchester. They state 830 and 835 fps respectively but it actually Chronographs less than that. If you plan to shoot your WWll vintage Ithaca often, I'd seriously consider reloading if you don't already do because you can custom download your rounds and take it easy on the old War-horse.

Federal's American Eagle (which is excellent ammo by the way) is loaded to 890 feet per second velocities and even though it is higher in quality vs the Remington and Winchester brands, it is also hotter and will wear the old gun a but more - so I'd avoid it in this old gun.
 
And in case you should happen across any US milsurp ammo, the designation is "Cartridge, Pistol Ball, Cal. .45, M1911".
Congrats on the acquisition of a mighty fine old iron.

Larry
 
The mildest standard Factory Hardball ammo I know of is the current Remington and Winchester. They state 830 and 835 fps respectively but it actually Chronographs less than that. If you plan to shoot your WWll vintage Ithaca often, I'd seriously consider reloading if you don't already do because you can custom download your rounds and take it easy on the old War-horse.

Federal's American Eagle (which is excellent ammo by the way) is loaded to 890 feet per second velocities and even though it is higher in quality vs the Remington and Winchester brands, it is also hotter and will wear the old gun a but more - so I'd avoid it in this old gun.

This is great information.
Thank you
 
If that pistol has all the original parts it looks like a collector grade $1200 & up. I have a box of 45 ammo with a 42 head stamp.:cool: Is that an F.J.A. inspector gun?

It says "FJA" right under the Idiot Scratch:eek:
(I might be an idiot but this gun was not scratched by me)
 
Congrats on that Ithaca 1911A1........they are getting harder and harder to find. If you snagged that for less than $2 grand and if it is all original I think you got a real winner. Pics below are of my late 1943 Ithaca and a copy of my insurance write-up. I have been recently offered $2250 and I turned it down. I sold a Colt 1944 1911A1 in no more than 80% but all original for $2,600 a year ago. That prancing pony adds bucks but I haven't figured out why just yet.

If you really get into WWII (long guns or handguns) snag some books and stay involved with this forum.....these guys (and gals) really know their stuff.

I do collect a lot of WWI and II guns so PM me if I can help with ID or anything on that Ithaca.........very nice gun.....loads of history.

Best
Charlie B.
 

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I'm jealous! You have a nice collectible pistol. I'd avoid full power loads for the previous stated reason. No sense chancing breaking a collectors piece. Those old Ithicas are valuable. You could shoot factory loads, but it won't reliably feed anything other than hard ball type ammo. Stay away from SWC's or HP's if you want it to feed 100%
 
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