.22 LR Self-defense rounds.

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I hope to be obtaining an M&P .22 pistol in the next couple of days. Besides being a plinker, it may also serve as a CCW/self-defense pistol for my wife on the rare occasion that she travels by herself or serve as mine if she happens to take my Shield. What .22 Long Rifle round would be best for self-defense? I do not that the .22 is not ideal for self-defense. I live in an area where crime is not generally an issue.
 
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Simple answer is the one that's most accurate...I don't think bullet performance is going to make that big a difference in a self defense situation using a .22lr
Multiple fast hits in vital places are going to be the key.

Of course as with any caliber/gun...function will trump everything else. Has to go bang every time.

I've always had good luck with CCI's ammo.
 
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During warm Texas weather when the uniform of the day is t-shirt and shorts I pocket carry a Ruger SR22 with 10 Stingers in the mag and one in the chamber.I think I can put all 11 in my target and reload the spare mag from another pocket if needed.
I replaced the polymer guide rod with a stainless.
 
Being a bullseye shooter, accuracy is everything but in self defense it means little. Most self defense shootings take place at feet not yard distances. About any 22 ammo is accurate enough. I study terminal ballistics and have over 100 bullets recovered from downed game animals. When I guided elk and deer hunters, I carried a 22 pistol to finish off wounded animals. Conservatively I have used it on a minimum of 50 deer, elk and antelope. I mention all of this to put validity in my statements. The 22 lr is under rated as a killing cartridge. It has great penetration capabilities often equaling many bigger self defense rounds. Stopping power it lacks though unless spine or head is hit. But it will kill you and get in deep. Shooting hundreds of rounds each year I have a preference in reliable ignition and CCI tops my list. You cant go wrong with their stuff. Their stingers are impressive expanders even with short barrel guns. I often carry a Walther TPH in 22 lr as my carry gun. I load alternately, one CCI Stinger, then a CCI solid, then Stinger, ect. Twenty twos in the hands of a novice are dangerous as they are easy to teach and the new shooters have no fear of recoil or noise. Ten rounds can be sent downrange accurately in a blink of an eye with a 22. Earnest Hemmingway was a found believer in the Colt Woodsman as well as African profession white hunter Joe Coogan. Both used them extensively. Earnest was quoted as saying, "Put me in the corner of a boxing ring with a Colt Woodsman and 10 rounds of solid ammo, put the worlds heavyweight boxer in the other corner. Ring the bell and I will have him dead before he reaches center ring". Because they are so easy to shoot accurately and fast they are deadlier than many think.
 
I'm facing the same issue with my wife. I'm looking at either CCI Velocitors or Aguila Interceptors. Based on everything I've been able to find online (ballistics tests, etc), I expect roughly 1100fps from a 3" revolver barrel from either of them. On paper, the Interceptors are a little faster, but I have more experience with, and trust in CCI.
 
I've heard it said that trauma surgeons find wounds from a .22 rimfire more difficult to repair than wounds from a .38 SPL. However, this information is dated and was common before JHPs found their way to the .38 SPL.
 
When my brother's wife (CHL holder) decided she wanted to carry a 22 LR I did a test with several brands for penetration. I shot gallon water jugs with a 2" barrel at 10 feet. All the 37-42 grain high velocity rounds I tried shot through the jugs. So I gave her a box of CCI Mini-Mag 40 grain because they have been the most reliable.
 
CCI mini-mags 40 gr solids as well and for as long as I can remember.
With our Beretta Bobcats, one in each hand, sending them down range RAPIDLY!!!
Just as much fun as handloads with a 1911 in each hand.
Only have one 4" 629. :(

My boy's first day carrying with a High Standard Derringer in
22 Mag.
What do I do if there are three BGs.... he asked?
Wait until two are in line..... I replied.... and gave him the
M59. :D
What... no JHPs .... he argued.
He bought his first pistol later that week.... a 45ACP Glock 36.
Shoots nice with our XTP loads.
 
I like CCIs, too, for their accuracy and reliability. All shoot well out of my Ruger Standard. Here is a comparison of the ballistic data from CCI Mini-Mag round-nose solid point, Velocitor HP, and Stinger HP rounds:

CCI: Compare Loads

The Stinger and Velocitor have considerably more energy than the Mini-Mag, and the Velocitor retains the most energy down range. Although the Stinger emits a really cool flame from the end of my barrel, I think I'd lean toward the Velocitor as an sd round.
 
Being a bullseye shooter, accuracy is everything but in self defense it means little. Most self defense shootings take place at feet not yard distances. About any 22 ammo is accurate enough. I study terminal ballistics and have over 100 bullets recovered from downed game animals. When I guided elk and deer hunters, I carried a 22 pistol to finish off wounded animals. Conservatively I have used it on a minimum of 50 deer, elk and antelope. I mention all of this to put validity in my statements. The 22 lr is under rated as a killing cartridge. It has great penetration capabilities often equaling many bigger self defense rounds. Stopping power it lacks though unless spine or head is hit. But it will kill you and get in deep. Shooting hundreds of rounds each year I have a preference in reliable ignition and CCI tops my list. You cant go wrong with their stuff. Their stingers are impressive expanders even with short barrel guns. I often carry a Walther TPH in 22 lr as my carry gun. I load alternately, one CCI Stinger, then a CCI solid, then Stinger, ect. Twenty twos in the hands of a novice are dangerous as they are easy to teach and the new shooters have no fear of recoil or noise. Ten rounds can be sent downrange accurately in a blink of an eye with a 22. Earnest Hemmingway was a found believer in the Colt Woodsman as well as African profession white hunter Joe Coogan. Both used them extensively. Earnest was quoted as saying, "Put me in the corner of a boxing ring with a Colt Woodsman and 10 rounds of solid ammo, put the worlds heavyweight boxer in the other corner. Ring the bell and I will have him dead before he reaches center ring". Because they are so easy to shoot accurately and fast they are deadlier than many think.

As far as accuracy goes, the case could be made that in most defensive shooting situations, you don't even need rifling.
Tight grouping ability matters little.
Point of impact coinciding somewhat with the sights is a somewhat different matter.
 
FWIW ,, thru my chrony: ( ammo tested from several years ago,,)

3.5" Bersa Thunder .22
Rem. 36gr Golden Bullet - 857 fps.
CCI 40gr HP Velocitor - 982 fps.
CCI 32 gr. Stinger - 1171 fps.

6 7/8" Ruger MkII
Federal 40 gr Std. Vel. - 1007 fps.
Winchester 40gr Super X - 1041 fps.
PMC Sindwinder - 1110 fps.
CCI 32gr Stinger - 1298 fps.

There are some very interesting .22 ammo tests on youtube by tnoutdoors9
 
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The gun I have in the house for my wife is a M & P 22C is loaded with CCI 40 grain Mini Mags. I've tried to move her up in caliber but she is so recoil sensitive I'm letting her stick with the 22. And after a year of shooting she's gotten so good with it I'm confident that she could place quite a few rounds on target if needed. ;)
 
Based on another recent thread ..... I'd recommend a mix of CCI Velocitors and Stingers..... with a Velocitor chambered for 10+1.

Velocitor's are designed for better penetration while the Stingers are a better expanding round .

Have her practice..... strings of 4-6 rounds rapid fire.

While not ideal...... I'd rather my wife have her M&P Compact .22 with her .... than knowing her 2" model 10 is at home!!!!!
 
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I had the same question about ammo when arthritis in my hands steadily forced me downgrade caliber sizes over years. I ended up with 22 in an M&P 22 Compact. I am a dilgent researcher. Explored that option for weeks before acting. I started a long thread on the topic in the concealed carry forum.

My decision was to use CCI Mini Mag HP. It was one of the very few 22 rounds that expanded in gel out of 3.5 inch barrel. You can see that test at brasscatcher.com. Continuing research led me to really check out CCI Velocitor. I found good reason to use it. It expands but takes in more of wad cutter shape than a mushroom shape. There is a high likely hood it would tumble after penetrating. It can penetrate up to 13 inches in gel.

With the 22 for self defense the key is accuracy and penetration and Velocitor will give you penetration. Accuracy is a variable depending ob gun and shooter.

I had not gone to 380 because the pocket pistols were blowback and because of the weakness in my hands I had real problems racking them. Recently I learned of the Remington 380 being a locked breech design that is the easiest pocket pistol to rack. I tried it at my LGS and then rented it to try at the range. It was perfect. Great all metal, made in USA pistol with almost no recoil, and I can rack it with finger and thumb alone. Now I carry it daily.
 

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