I got an email from Midway today and they are showing a special on these rounds.

They have ha e them for months now which is unusual and have been in sale for under $43/box for weeks now. I can't believe they dropped them to under $40/box now. Great buy, thanks for posting.

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Not a fan of that load due to the Trooper Coates shooting where the assailant was shot six times in the torso with this load and went on to make a full recovery (in prison, he sadly murdered Coates with one shot from a .22 after absorbing these rounds).

The 145 grain Silvertip is a good load and actually penetrates a little deeper than the highly touted 125 grain SJHP from Federal and Remington. The perpetrator was obese and his layer of blubber is likely what helped to defeat the Silvertip bullets. Sadly, Trooper Coates was the victim of a lucky shot.

There is a video of this entire incident on YouTube—absolutely sickening. It makes my blood run cold seeing how dangerous police work is. I don’t see how so many of you do it, but thank God for those of you that do. I would not have the nerve to deal with that every day and knowing that any friendly conversation could turn into kill or be killed. Also horrifying to see how quickly the suspect escalated into shooting a police officer over a simple traffic stop.

I don’t see how in the world the suspect lived over being shot 5 times like that at close range with a .357, no matter the round. Certainly drives home the point we read here many times about the effectiveness of handgun rounds, shot placment, etc.

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I've been preaching that gospel but few believe.

Bullets are bullets . They either hit vital parts or they don't. If they do, people die quickly . If they don't, the fight needn't stop and people live. Don't blame the ammo in that shooting. Since the thug didn't die, there's no autopsy to study, but you can bet that none of those six shots hit anything vital. The thug was seriously injured, to be sure, but he wasn't stopped.

If you think a dollar a shot ammo is what's needed, then carry it. If I carried my .357 for protection, and used factory ammo, it'd be 38 spl 158 grain SWC. Or I'd carry my midrange handload which is the same bullet at about 1000 fps.

A 158 grain LSWC at 800 to 1000 fps will work on bad guys as well as anything out there.

One shot from a .22 killed the officer, who was wearing a vest. Shot through the arm pit and penetrated to the heart. Criminal shot 5 times in torso with a .357 and lives over it.

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The video put out by his department said the trooper was using +P ammo. Not .357 Silvertips.

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I carry Underwood SJHP 158 grainers in my Model 13. 1500FPS. Bout the best chance you've got.

The agency and its practices have a lot of responsibility for the circumstances that allowed the offender to kill Trooper Coates. It's been years since I watched the video, but to the best of my memory:

At the time, they did not call out stops, get data from the plates before hitting the lights, etc. Not novel at the time, but a critical safety practice that was not as common as it should have been. The only reason anyone knew where he was is another trooper had just driven past him. The first backup Trooper Coates had was a passing truck driver.

We were taught in the academy that all custodial arrests are two on one, at a minimum. (Similarly, a more recent phrasing of the same basic idea: If you are in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)

The reason the offender was able to hit him in a vulnerable area is that the agency did not have mikes on their portables. Typing up a hand is unsafe; lifting it as he had to made the open spot in the armpit accessible to a fluke shot. I was stuck without a mike for a while almost 30 years ago and it was clearly unsafe. As much as I could, I also wore an earpiece so I could hear better and suspects could not.

A point that is hard to convey to decent people: criminals are not like the rest of us, and one must always be prepared to use serious lawful violence to overcome them. It is not unforeseeable that it could take more than 5 shots to stop a violent offender, even with good hits, and one must train to shoot until the offender is perceived to be incapable of further aggression. This is especially true of handguns. A handgun is what you carry when you have no specific reason to expect a problem. If you have such reason, you should not be there unless it is your duty, in which case, you need a rifle.

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To paraphrase Maimomedes, CNS shots are debilitating, all else is commentary.

Brigadier General Daniel Sickles, once and future Senator, future Major General and Ambassador was struck by a TWELVE POUND (that is to say 84,000 grain) iron ball in the Peach Orchard at Gettysburg. He survived (lost a leg).

It's like real estate, location, location, location.

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There is a picture in " Street Survival" of a suspect with 17 9mm torso hits, and if you look close you can see the edges of the slug that stopped him by going in one side and out the other. No two incidents are the same, ever. That's why I don't own a J frame.

But a M72A2 is only one shot...

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These are still on sale and in stock at Midway. $36.23 per 50rnds. Free ship over $49.00...........

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