38SPL HV
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Any fellow Battle Born residents or anyone for that matter hear rumors that Nevada Govt. is planning on banning use of lead ammo in the state?
Lead ammo - Nevada
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If that does happen, they will have a date with destiny on 11/3!
AManWearingAHat
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God I hope not. Sounds like the infection of Californians is spreading in your state....
4barrel
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That would kill my main hobby if it happened here.
It would kill more than that. It’d most gun shops and ranges as few would be willing to buy all copper or other extremely expensive bullets to go shooting.
There is so little hunting here in Southern Nevada, and I can’t imagine anybody here would be able to target shoot. All gun shops in my local area largely do not sell hunting rifles, it’s all plinkers, pistols, and ARs and people use them blasting at the range or desert.
scooter123
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They will probably only ban it for bird hunting, just like almost every other state. BTW, in a modern shotgun steel shot does quite well and you don't have to be concerned about a missed pellet of "magnum" shot containing antimony.
However lead is much better at breaking clay pigeons at long ranges so those shooting Trap or Sporting Clays do have reason to complain or be concerned.
Currently even California still permits the use of lead bullets or shot, it's just banned for hunting. However every year there is a push to ban all lead ammunition for any use. For the shotgun sports that would be a change to steel shot an quite likely an increase in permitted shot size to allow the use of shot that would carry more energy downrange, probably allowing shot as large as #6. The result will be less pellet density and thus better accuracy so average shooters will see more misses. However the only real long term effect will be a lower average score for every one and fewer shoot offs at matches. Nowadays shoot off are so common and time consuming making it a bit more difficult to shoot a perfect score may not be bad thing.
On the rifle side of things copper jacketed steel core ammunition would make for cheap target loads. However those types of ammunition might end as being classified as Armor Piercing by the ATF. The end result of that particular ruling would be a Court Challenge that would end up in the Supreme Court on 2nd amendment grounds. With the current Court configuration this ATF ruling would end up with either a ruling that Armor Piercing rounds are protected under the 2nd or than banning the use of lead is a violation of the 2nd and thus disallowed. As for Handgun bullets, the ATF will probably rule that ALL steel cored bullets are armor piercing so what goes for Rifles also goes for Handguns.
Then there is pure copper bullets for handguns or rifles. Copper is problematic for these uses. It's expensive and lacks the density of lead. Every shoot a 60 grain bullet out of a 9mm handgun, when or if you do you will probably miss the target unless it's close. Because the POI will shift a LOT due o the difference in Bore Transit Recoil.
BTW, I am aware that Bismuth can be used as a filler for bullets or as shot. I am also aware that the fumes of Bismuth are highly toxic and at some point expect it will be banned for use as a solid because it is potentially toxic in some environments and quite likely can cause in Cancer.
Boil it all down and we may see a push to standardize on copper for bullets. For all except the Law Enforcement and Military community. Which will create another mares nest of issues. Quite simply there is not good outcome at all from banning lead for use in handguns and rifles. It is why we need to join and support the NRA and all of the other gun rights organizations. It's also why we cannot be lazy about voting and who we vote for. If you see a candidate unwilling to state he supports the 2nd 100%, vote against him, because that greasy weasel is anti 2nd and not willing to admit to that fact. Also be sure to vote against any anti 2nd person out there.
However lead is much better at breaking clay pigeons at long ranges so those shooting Trap or Sporting Clays do have reason to complain or be concerned.
Currently even California still permits the use of lead bullets or shot, it's just banned for hunting. However every year there is a push to ban all lead ammunition for any use. For the shotgun sports that would be a change to steel shot an quite likely an increase in permitted shot size to allow the use of shot that would carry more energy downrange, probably allowing shot as large as #6. The result will be less pellet density and thus better accuracy so average shooters will see more misses. However the only real long term effect will be a lower average score for every one and fewer shoot offs at matches. Nowadays shoot off are so common and time consuming making it a bit more difficult to shoot a perfect score may not be bad thing.
On the rifle side of things copper jacketed steel core ammunition would make for cheap target loads. However those types of ammunition might end as being classified as Armor Piercing by the ATF. The end result of that particular ruling would be a Court Challenge that would end up in the Supreme Court on 2nd amendment grounds. With the current Court configuration this ATF ruling would end up with either a ruling that Armor Piercing rounds are protected under the 2nd or than banning the use of lead is a violation of the 2nd and thus disallowed. As for Handgun bullets, the ATF will probably rule that ALL steel cored bullets are armor piercing so what goes for Rifles also goes for Handguns.
Then there is pure copper bullets for handguns or rifles. Copper is problematic for these uses. It's expensive and lacks the density of lead. Every shoot a 60 grain bullet out of a 9mm handgun, when or if you do you will probably miss the target unless it's close. Because the POI will shift a LOT due o the difference in Bore Transit Recoil.
BTW, I am aware that Bismuth can be used as a filler for bullets or as shot. I am also aware that the fumes of Bismuth are highly toxic and at some point expect it will be banned for use as a solid because it is potentially toxic in some environments and quite likely can cause in Cancer.
Boil it all down and we may see a push to standardize on copper for bullets. For all except the Law Enforcement and Military community. Which will create another mares nest of issues. Quite simply there is not good outcome at all from banning lead for use in handguns and rifles. It is why we need to join and support the NRA and all of the other gun rights organizations. It's also why we cannot be lazy about voting and who we vote for. If you see a candidate unwilling to state he supports the 2nd 100%, vote against him, because that greasy weasel is anti 2nd and not willing to admit to that fact. Also be sure to vote against any anti 2nd person out there.
Very good advice and I can't and don't want too understand why a gun owner will vote for someone who is anti gun. Larry
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38SPL HV
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CA is pushing a bill to ban lead ammo at shooting ranges...link to NRA:
NRA-ILA | California: Legislature to Consider Banning Lead Ammo at Shooting Ranges
NRA-ILA | California: Legislature to Consider Banning Lead Ammo at Shooting Ranges
So much discussion and info over a "rumor" with no source??
It may or may not happen sometime in the unknown future,
It may or may not happen sometime in the unknown future,
memtb
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I’ll go out on a “small” limb here! I’ll wager that the Kalifornia lead ban, started with rumors! memtb
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38SPL HV
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California proposed bill in NOT a rumor but a harsh reality. Complacency can ultimately ruin our rights...
Nevada is not California , Cali banned lead for hunting long ago. In Cali it is a proposed legislation
If Nevada proposes something, similar then you need to contact your Congress Critters
Until, it is still rumor, unless you have some other links?
As with anything gun related they want to take it ALL.
NRA-ILA | California: Legislature to Consider Banning Lead Ammo at Shooting Ranges
Bill Text - AB-3058 Firearms: vehicle storage.
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38SPL HV
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Rule3, I don’t believe you live in NV, and you do not know the nuances of our politics and social climate.
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No, I do not, but also do not see what speculation about a rumor is gonna do. It may or may not,there is not much anyone can do until it is actually proposed. You can not write your political readers if it is not yet reality. Heck it just gives them more ideas,
There is enough to "worry" about rather than adding a bunch of what ifs
I don’t think the storage bill is a bad idea the way it reads. I lock my handgun up in a console vault when I leave my truck, but a gun that can be grabbed out of a vehicle is a bad idea. Here in my hometown the cops have been having problems with guns stolen from UNLOCKED vehicles. Every gun owner should do his part to keep his guns out if the hands of punks and crackheads.
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I posted a link to the wrong "bill" there are so darn many of them!
Bill Text - AB-3071 Lead ammunition: shooting ranges.
How about the rumor that all ammo sales in Nevada need to go through a FFL, all reloading supplies must be registered and you can not order online?
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38SPL HV
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I'm glad I moved from Ca. thirty years ago. Not the same state I grew up. I just read the new bills introduced to ban lead at shooting ranges. Where does one shoot .22 ammo? I have never seen non-lead .22. Where do you train the kids safe shooting? My state of Or. will probably do something stupid to follow Ca. Very frustrating.
