Oh, I heard that they were experimenting with 135gr .40 S&W loads towards the end.

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Yup. And for the most part, any federal agency that carried/carries .40 (most if not all have gone back to 9mm) tagged/tags off that contract . . .

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It’s possible. For me, no load had more unpleasant recoil in a Glock 23 than a 135 grain load from Hornady. My agency has been issuing 165 grain loads for two decades. I would prefer 180 grain loads as they don’t have that magnum like snap people complain about with 40s.

Most have migrated or are doing so to the 9mm. I don’t know any with 17m and 19m other than FBI so they are not piggy backing like we used too. Glock has not offered the 17m and 19m to many agencies. There is just a handful of local agencies that have them. The TBI was able to secure 19M before the gen 5 was released. The CBP has their own Glock model. Some of the small fed agencies and the Coast Guard still have their 40s. Truthfully, a lot of smaller fed agencies had 357 Sig like IRS agents, but I don’t know how many of them still have 357 Sig. The FAMS are transitioning to 19MOS.

The only federal agency I know that issued .40S&W, but didnt issue 180gr ammo was the CBP, and they ran 155gr. I *think* they are on the 9mm bandwagon now.

I've read that the Border Patrol used the 155gr .40S&W (Silvertips, I think), but I don't know about the rest of the CBP. This was several years ago.

I was only discussing caliber . . .

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Interesting. I remember reading that one of the reasons the FAMS chose the .357Sig was for barrier penetration through seats or even cockpit doors, if necessary, and the possibility of longer range shots in boarding corridors or on concourses.

Or perhaps because a lot of FAM upper management came from USSS?

Definitely a possibility. I remember reading that when USSS personnel began filling FAMS management positions they started requiring them to dress in suits when on duty, which makes it difficult to blend in undercover. Eventually that policy was overturned.

But I do remember barrier penetration being cited as a reason for .357Sig's adoption by FAMS. Now, whether that was a legitimate reason or an after-the-fact justification...

I’ve heard multiple times, from different FAMS, that the reason they had the P229 in 357Sig for 19 years was because the leadership shot several different platforms, and calibers, but none shot better than the p229 357 Sig. But agents will tell you the real reason is their horrible leadership came directly from the ranks of the SS and adopted every policy possible.

In 2008, some of my close friends at the time begged and pleaded for Glock 26s. The organization’s answer was some Sig P250s that everyone hated. They ended up keeping the p229s.