I’m with the dealer on this one.
If he sells at lower prices, the ammo flippers will clean him out of stock and turn around and sell it for double or triple what they paid for it.
The flippers ( with no overhead ) will make more money on the ammo than the dealer who has to maintain a line of credit, buy insurance, pay a business tax, make payroll, and pay utilities.
I’ll bet dealer’s prices on ammo have gone up a lot too.
If anybody is going to make money gouging, I want it to be the dealer.

More people should have been paying attention to world events and seen this thing coming.
I did.

That's how everything gets sold at retail. If it didn't, you'd have a different price on each exact same item that came out of a different case from different trucks on different days. That's why gas prices go up and down. Gotta be able to replace it at the current price.

I worked as a stock clerk at a grocery store, pre-UPC code scanners. When price changes came out, we scraped the old tags off, or worse, dissolved the stamper ink on the cans, and applied the new price. I am certain we had cans of clamato that we originally priced at ten cents that were now over a dollar, because nobody bought it and it didn't expire . . .

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LGS email flyer, all 9mm blazer you want $39.99 a box.

“shortage” is over now comes reality, up to the individual how to move forward.


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The current situation may be the thing that finally kills off almost all the shooting sports.
That would make a lot of people very happy.
Expect one or more ammunition companies to go out of business, further aggravating the shortages.

How could that happen with the high-demand for ammo, you ask?
The answer is de-monetization of the ammo companies.
When banks and insurance companies are pressured with threats of retaliation by their peers for not being “ woke “ enough, ammo companies’ insurance and lines of operating capital will start to dry up. Credit card companies are preparing to ban firearm and ammo transactions using their cards as well.
Hard to run a business of any size without those two things.

And we all thought the government would be the entity that killed off our sport and rights.

Covid followed by civil unrest started the shortage so the first step in ending it is to get rid of covid. Everyone needs to get the vaccine.
Only way to end it.

The shortage / unavailability of ammo due to the current circumstances should in a normal environment fix it self, The problem is that the communists in power "will not let a good disaster" go to waste and are taking advantage of the situation everywhere they can. they will do everything to keep ammo out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

I don’t anticipate a great increase in interest in reloading. Most people still see it as some sort of black art.

I don't know who "most people" are, but in many years of handloading, I've never heard anyone refer to the process as a "black art", whatever that may be. Where did this fact come from?

My LGS received a shipment of Remington .223 today. I didn’t ask what the price is but Big Green is coming to the shelves.

Look up Operation Choke Point - this type of activity is illegal and was completely reversed. A regulator informally advising a banking institution that they will create regulatory burdens if you do business with a legal business just because they do not like it, is nothing short of blackmail. The lawsuits that ensued, which the defendants settled knowing the plaintiffs would win, makes the chances of a repeat unlikely. While politically driven, this is unlikely to be tested again in the future. It is as gross an abuse / misuse of and weaponization of governmental power as could ever be imagined.

Yawn.

Of course it will. But, hey, don’t let my rationality get in the way of your panic spreading. How’s that armadillo hat coming along?

I guess I'm lucky to live between 2 big Academy stores that are only 6 miles apart. From 2013-16, I spent many mornings standing in line for 2 hours or more to buy ammo. I met a lot of friendly people doing that.

I had enough ammo on hand, so I didn't get involved in the madness this time - until LAST WEEK. It seems that my Academy stores have been getting A LOT OF AMMO. There are always 30-40 people in line when the doors open, but everything is orderly and there is always a little left over for the people at the end of the line.

So, after waiting in line for 2-3 hours on 4 different days and going to both stores each day, I bought 400 rounds EACH of 9mm, 45 and 223 (lead core) and 150 rounds of 380. Even at Academy prices (and a 2 box limit), it is getting expensive - so I will slow down for a while.

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Mid-Way has their the cheapest Lee press in stock at $54.99 with free shipping. That is about what a 100 rnd box of target .38spl costs if you can find one...........

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Getting into reloading. Got everything but need more primers, more powder. Cause I am not paying 96 bucks for a 100 round box of .45 hardball. I actually have plenty of ammo, made it a habit of picking up a box or 2 every time I went to my LGS for several years now. Now I think my money is better spent making my own.

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So many S&W's, so few funds!!

Who cares if presses and dies are available when powder and primers aren't...

I just picked up a box of 20 gauge. Looks like new packaging.

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I haven't bought a single round in 5 years. Between my stash and my handloading (yes I have components too), I will be set for years to come.

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My guess is shortage will end in 2028.

Honestly I don't think it will ever end. It's always going to be around. The virus is mutating and there will be a shot every year to keep up with it, just like the flu. Even if everyone gets the vaccine it does not mean they'll not get Covid. There's no cure for the common cold either and we've learn to live with it.

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Arg! I had to throw a live 22 L.R. cartridge away yesterday.
I have started shooting a Ruger Wrangler that I brought in 2020 PC about every week or two. Yesterday at the range I had a Remington cartridge that would only go halfway into the chamber. Close inspection showed part of the brass case mouth had folded backwards when it was manufactured. I tried removing the offending piece of brass but the case was to far out of spec.

I felt like I was throwing away gold coin.

Shooting my Wrangler is slowing how many rounds I use at the range. Four or five cylinders full is enough for a session. With it’s small grip and hard to see front sight this little gun is a bit of a challenge to shoot accurately. It is going to take a lot of regular range trips for me to master shooting it well. By only shooting 30 rounds a session a 500 round bulk pack will last four 16 trips which will keep me occupied for next 4 or 5 months.

No doubt...you're on the right track for sure!

They are available.

Even if everyone gets vaccinated, the spread of Covid will not totally end but will get to the to the point where we will learn to live with it just like the common cold. That will in essence end the problems we've been dealing with for more than a year.

If anyone is in a real bind for .38spl. Buffalo bore has their standard pressure 158gr swchp in stock. The price is high as usual. They have not raised them to panic levels. This round will clock 850fps from a 2" barrel and faster from longer barrels. Most factory rnds don't do much over 800fps from a 2" and if you check the Lucky Gunner gel tests you will see that it takes at least 850fps for full expansion..........

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Guessing you've missed the plethora of people who have contracted the virus after receiving both shots . . .

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plethora: abundance; great quantity

Yeah. I've missed that.

Local Gun Store had plenty of ammo today..
ALL Where $2ea bullet, Didn't matter what caliber or brand..
All where overpriced..
I'll have to live off my stash for quite a while it looks like..
I will not pay $2 a bullet unless it's a 50cal then it's $5ea

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I don't think that this is a plethora: "In mid-April, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 5,800 breakthrough infections to date among the millions of Americans who have been fully vaccinated."

If that's an accurate figure, it represents an incredibly low percentage. Perhaps those that claim otherwise aren't advocates of the vaccine.

Or they are only getting their information from the panic-peddling news broadcasters.

Both of the 2-dose vaccines are stated to be ~95% effective based on the trials. Or, IOW, as much as 5% ineffective. Also, efficacy (IIRC) included mild or no symptoms, not just immunity.

IOW, none of this is surprising for anyone who has been paying attention to real information (and not just the panic-peddling news broadcasters).

The actual results to date indicate possibly a higher efficacy rate, although it is early still.

Hell the death rate of corona even before the vaccines was less than 1%.

That didn't stop a WHOLE lotta people from absolutely losing their minds though!

If you're looking for a rational assessment of macro statistics in this day and age, either for the ammo shortage or for corona virus, you're going to be quite disappointed!

Just look at how many people play the lottery.

That’s way higher than pedestrian deaths, and those deaths are described as “carnage” in mainstream media articles, so we can go with carnage if you want . . .

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With over 86 million having been fully vaccinated to date and the number of those who have been infected by the COVID-19, the amount is around .00007%. Hardly a reason to avoid vaccination. That being said, everything about this and everything else in this country has been politicized by politicians and spun by the media.

Those are just infections. They aren't even indicative of "death" or any other major problem.

If someone said you have a 5,800 out of 130,000,000 chance of getting the sniffles, would you be alarmed?

Are we sure we're understanding macro statistics?

My philosophy on stocking up always has been , if you have $20 in your pocket when you walk in a shop, and they have a box or two of ammo you can get with that $20, buy it.

When you go to the range, if you shoot two boxes of ammo, buy 3 next time you are in a shop.

If you see a sale for something like $85 for 500 rounds of 9mm, but two cases.

It has served me well, I was well stocked going into the pandemic, and most I have spent on 9mm or .380 was about $27.50 a box, then I stopped buying if it is more than that.

I have only gotten 2 boxes of .38 special since last march, $30 each for flat nose jacketed, I bought about 8 boxes of "remanufactured" .38 a year ago at $17.95 a box, and haven't seen any of that since. Nice wadcutters, and jacketed wadcutters too.

.22LR is outrageous, but I stocked up at Dick's when they stopped selling guns, got over 7000 rounds for about 3.7 cents a round. I am happy I did that.

I have slowed down shooting a bit which I don't like, have been shooting more .22LR and 22wmr than anything else really.

Ridiculous.

...that they were concentrating on hunting cartridges first?

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There is a seller on Gun Broker that always has 800-100 ads for bulk ammo. SportsmansSupply. Everything from .17 to .50 BMG. 100,250,500,1000 rounds in bulk, always selling for much more than we are all used to.
I went there to pick up a gun, I had an appointment, they don't even want walk-in's. There was 15 shipping containers on property. The kind you see on huge cargo ships. I can only imagine the are full of ammo, they are making a killing but my point is there is somebody getting ammo. It's available to the right people.

At some point they will be available, until the next disaster hits. When that happens, stock up.

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I just checked Cleaver Products and they have have Federal primers. $99.65 per 1000. It said add to cart. I didn't check for powder but I'm pretty sure it's out there somewhere. Larry

Too bad I never said anything like that, reading comprehension helps tremendously. And as far as primers and powder being "out there", so is ammo to the same degree. If you are willing to pay the increased prices.

Indeed, at least not with politicians pushing an anti gun agenda...

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My thing has been guns since a small kid. A little bit of fishing. That’s it I never did the spectator sport stuff, never engaged in anything chasing a ball around, musical instruments, motor cars , ect. The point is it seems to me most of this panic buying is based on defensive type stuff and same kind of guns.
Cant blame people for wanting to protect themselves. These type are not the ones stock piling ammo. They only bought a gun because of social situation and a box of ammo. The idiots running up the price are the ones willing to pay the price. Scalped or not an item will find the price it will sell at. Can you imagine the ammo people have squirreled away? If ammo comes back at a price near pre panic we should see some scalpers jumping off bridges, like the crash of 29. They won’t be able to afford to shoot themselves with ammo they overpaid for.

I haven't posted anything in a long while but i vividly remember sitting in front of Mr. Glassface all spun out and mad as hell but as the saying goes "This too shall pass" and it did. I stopped driving around like a wing nut trying to score a box of ammo. I stopped paying an arm and leg at the flea market. Stopped hitting the pawn shops. Stopped trying to give the guy at the counter a story about how I don't have a round to send downrange and I've got the sweet new Smitty to break in well you get the idea. And when it normalized somewhat I started picking up a box here, a box there and before you know it I had a stack that made the wife furrow her brow. If we all just relax a bit it will come back just like it did during the last "panic".....

Optimistic since Remington is back ordered 2 years. There is still some old stock in the pipeline.

Yup. Primers at $100 for 1000.

I think many will be reloading their own because of the political climate. The problem will be -- finding all the right components to reload. The serious "missing" element I now face is finding PRIMERS. They do not exist. I can find most components except the one that makes it all go "bang".

Cleaver Products, aren't they in Australia?

Still, plenty of primers (albeit at astronomical prices) out at the shows and such at least. I'm betting capitalism will find a way. Last shortage tons of little ammo producers and distributors popped up almost overnight it seemed to deal with the demand. That later created a glut. I grant that setting up a plant to make primers will take perhaps a year or so but somebody smelling cash to be made will do it sure enough if the established makers don't beat them to the punch.
I suspect the ammo makers remember last shortage when they worked *really* hard to increase production and then once there was an oversupply they practically couldn't give away all that ammo they had so expensively set up to produce. I can imagine they aren't in a big rush to help us out when we didn't hold up our end last time.

OK, so a box of 9 isn't' $10 this year, bummer sure, but you can still get all the materials and tools to make it and even if it does cost $200 a brick for primers $30/100 for good hollowpoints and $100/lb for powder it means you can make good self-defense ammo for $.6/round and practice fodder for about half that. Is it expensive, yeah it is. Is it impossible, nope. If folks settle down and let the market do it's thing this will be over a lot sooner.
We have a lot of new shooters and a lot of new reloaders, this is all an excellent thing and we should quit bellyaching about it.

I'm wryly amused by all the people who are all about the free market and capitalism until somebody scalps them on a little ammo.
If you have more than you need, share with your less-prepared shooting friends. If you don't have enough, this is a good time to think about being more prepared for situations that might arise.

It will continue for some time, but sooner or later (I believe) most people will reach a point where they run out of room, money or simply realize they have enough.

Many on this forum have stated they have not purchased anything ammo related in a very long time because they have enough.

just a hunch or maybe futile optimism , but since Remington in Arkansas is up and running prices will come down. went to a gun show last weekend and dealers were constantly lowering prices . we can only hope supply will overcome demand in the near future....am getting tired of shooting .22's