As I posted earlier...

Just stopped by one of the better LGS in town to just see what they had. As I was walking around they rolled out a cart with 130 cases of 1000 rounds of Tula 9MM.

Aside from that they had thousands upon thousands of 5.56/.223, .308, 7.62x39, .45ACP, and many others.

Cheapest was Tula steel case at $1.40 a round.

You can check the totals for mining on the internet. The US is the world's largest user of refined lead but mines only 1/5 of what China does. However, we import the most lead from Canada (44%). Our own lead mining has dropped every year for the past five years while lead recycling has increased only slightly. Employment at lead mines and mills has shrunk slowly as well.

Here's the data sheet from the USGS:

https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mc...s2020-lead.pdf

On the flip side, copper production (the chief component of brass) has remained fairly constant over the same time frame.

Here's the copper data sheet from the USGS:

https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mc...020-copper.pdf

Never thought I see the day when Chinese lead and Russian cartridges keep Americans armed.

Sir, you can just ask them. I did. I asked the local Cabelas and the local Academy, "Are you receiving as much ammo as you used to?" They both said no, not near as much. Some days, none. It was never like that before.

The demand theory doesn't cover the facts as we know them, manufacturers are making more, stores are receiving less.

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I've still got it made.

I guess I must have missed something. How did the reaction to Wuhan flu enable manufacturers to make more, especially with no new factories?

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Supply versus demand.

Funny how that works, whether it is ammo, toilet paper, chicken, or gasoline. Aren't they teaching basic economics any more?

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Only a cold warrior

I asked at Academy too, a few months ago. Same answer, they weren't getting much at all. Not, "We're getting it in, but the same group of people keep showing up to buy it at opening time."

For those who believe a group of people keep showing up at Academy to snatch ammo out from under us, to flip it on the internet, that would be pretty much the definition of a conspiracy.

Another thought. If there are "seven million new shooters," wouldn't that be a pretty good justification to build new ammo making facilities or add on to existing ones? That's not the same demand pattern as anti-gun elections every four years, this is industry growth.

No, that would be the definition of black marketeers.

Any time there is a shortage real or imagined black marketers will try to take advantage. In such times buy only what you can't do without.......

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JMHO-YMMV

Just saw a large cargo ship full of all kinds of ammo......
King George III was navigating, Elvis was at the helm and they were headed to Margaritaville.

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One would think but it’s not going to happen.

I find the speeches by the manufacturing companies, especially Steve Hornady and Jason Vanderbrink, to be disingenuous and patronizing. But they say they are making more. I have no info that they are not. That their biggest customer, Johnny Morris, isn't receiving it, is quite strange.

Again, I wish I had a theory that could explain it. What we are being told doesn't. Which opens the door to conspiracy theories, though I haven't heard any.

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I've still got it made.

Actually the definition of a conspiracy is... a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

Ammo is small potatoes, try finding building supplies. I'm a general contractor specializing in remodel, addition, and repair. EVERYTHING is in short supply or many time the price it was a year ago. The biggest issue is shutdowns between countries, lack of raw materials, and interestingly, a major lack of truck drivers. Building costs have doubled while the demand for new homes has skyrocketed, every handy homeowner is busy working on all the projects they never got around to, a perfect storm of limited supply and high demand. And you are sniveling about ammo? Get over yourself, you should have had enough in the first place .

The BATF is the problem causing the shortage of ammo. They are requiring the ammo manufacturers to install a micro chip in one bullet in each box that is activated when your ammo goes through the register or if an online sale when your CC if processed. The bullet requires much longer time to manufacture. The bullet reads quantity purchased, your name, address and phone number and transmits it to the BATF for recording. When you place that box of ammo with your stash it reads the quantity, caliber, HP or solid and location of all ammo on your property and transmits that info to the BATF to be added to the recent purchased ammo.
You want conspiracy, there you have it.

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And here I thought LSD was no longer popular. Who would have guessed??

That would be a government that wants to control their population.

I don't believe Conspiracy Theories. Why would the Army want all our 22 rimfire ammo? I think hoarders/scalpers are making a career out of grabbing any and all available ammo, and us common folks, with lives to live, can't get it.

I'm in purchasing at a plumbing and heating wholesaler.

EVERYTHING is hard to get right now for sure.

We're on allocation for everything from pex fittings to water heaters.

Price increases are coming weekly. copper and steel pipe prices are through the roof. And copper pipe is spotty to get.

You know. the same copper used in ammo.

So there's no conspiracy. Only an overloaded system of production, delivery. and demand.

I'm glad I was an ant and not a grasshopper when it came to ammo.

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Finally, a plausible conspiracy theory. Thanks, ancient-one.

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I've still got it made.

Yeah ancient-one is right.

But, I got em tricked. As soon as I get home I shoot every bullet I buy.
Ain't no one gonna track my bullet stash!

I would hope our military has priority when it comes to ammo. I'd rather be out of ammo than to have the Army out of ammo.

Ok ill play the game why do you want the military to have priority over US citizens?
Who is invading the US? The US hasn’t has foreign boots on our soil since 1812- OVER 200 years. All wars we fought in the last 70 years have been meaningless that we either lost or backed out of.
You really need to come out of the Ether.

The Army doesn’t want your .22LR. They companies are not producing .22LR like they claim. They are producing 9mm,5.56, 7.62 and that is all doing to Gov’t agencies and now the Army.

How about on Wolf, Tula, and Brown Bear Ammo?

Jason Vanderbrink is a lying schill.

That is why I wrap each and every bullet in aluminum foil

You want suckered in some more? Give me a chance to dream up another one. I don't think I better, it might give me a headache.

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20 nice fellas from the Middle East were on American soil for a year or better before they flew three hijacked planes into various American centers of power, and tried to do the same with a fourth.

I have many other examples, but that ought suffice . . .

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All the stores in town are sold out of my dog's usual food. The BATF's black helicopter K-9 squads must have conspired with the FBI's K-9 unit to deprive civilian dogs. Will individually wrapping the few kernels she has left in aluminum foil help?

My Sportsmans Warehouse had a full aisle of ammo this morning. 9mm FMJ Blazer Brass for $20 a box (19 with my GI Joe discount). Still a limit of 2 boxes. Amerian Eagle .44 Magnum 240 grain JSP for $59 a box which isn’t much more than usual. Tons of shotgun shells.

They stagger putting out ammo during the day to foil the scalpers.

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Yes, that will help but it's only the half of it, you also have to wrap your dog in the foil.

During WW II Japan occupied Attu and Kiska Islands in the Aleutian Islands. Even though Alaska was still a U.S. territory I think that counts. Since I'm counting U.S. Territories they also occupied Guam and the Philippines.

My mother-in-law just got $10K in reparations for her suffering as a US citizen child during the Japanese occupation of Guam. Oddly, it came from our government, not Japan.

I don’t mind the US military getting the ammo they have contracted for.

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“What you got, ain’t new.”

Back in 1984 my ship was in port and I went down to NC to visit my Mom and step-dad, a few days before I was to leave I noticed a new "going out of business" sign at the local store where I usually picked up my ammo during hunting season. He had 2 pallet loads of 7.62x39 he was going to have to send back to his supplier. I bought the both pallet loads for his wholesale price ($35/case), rented an enclosed trailer and brought the whole load back to Norfolk. I sold several cases to some ship-mates, but kept and shot the rest, I ran out about 10 years later.

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Do not forget Columbus, New Mexico in 1916.

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Imagine what you could get for it now!😉

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Which had nothing to do with the ammunition supply for the US armed forces.

Surely you don't think the Japanese are going to pay reparations if they can get away with it. They keep trying to cover up and forget the war.

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USMC 69-93 Combat Pistol Inst.

Agreed . . .

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

There is not a ammunition shortage.

What? You say.

I’ll say it again. There is not a ammunition shortage.

It really is a case of supply and demand.

Brick and mortar stoves may not have much or any ammunition on their shelves. However I can do surfing on the Internet and find ammunition for sale. As it is more expensive than I am willing to pay I am not buying any of it which is different than saying it is a shortage.

The prices of ammunition has temporarily stabilized for the last few weeks meaning supply has reached the top that most customers are willing to pay. There are several factors that will keep the price of ammunition as or going higher. We are fast approaching summer riots in big cities, political fallout from Biden’s DOJ and BATF policy changes, lingering effects of thr COVID19, terrorism along with International situations.

The real shortage is going to start if the DOJ and BATF repeats their selves as did on Ruby Ridge and in WACO and extremists organize and fight back.

And Steve Hornady is no Joyce Hornady.

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I've still got it made.

No lie. Can't imagine it lasting me this long though.

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We let them in and trained them to fly. Nice try I’d like to hear the other examples and bullets didn’t stop those 20- buildings did.

Alaska wasn’t a state or part of the United States during WWII. Nice try keep going.

11,000,000 have come over the southern border.

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I've still got it made.

Alaska has been a US Territory since 1912, and has been owned by the US since 1868.

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“What you got, ain’t new.”

Lol ok Poncho Villa who got 3 miles across the border.

Here are the real invaders and we dont do anything once again. No cartridges used.