Has anyone seen these yet?
I received an email about them earlier today, and ordered two flats.
I received an email about them earlier today, and ordered two flats.
Remington - Peters Blue - Paper Hulls
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Other than the retro look, is there anything about them that is a better shell or 'buy' than any of the other offerings on the shelf?
I loaded Federal paper hulls for a lot of years and still have a sizeable box of them to use up. I've saved them for BP loads now. Most all of the plastic hulls melt and leave strings of plastic in the bore. The Remington black plastic hull being an acception.
The paper hulls always loaded and crimped very nicely. A bit slower to load with card and fibre wads I still use. But plastic wads work just as well w/ smokeless loads.
Not a lot of reloads /per hull. 3 tops w/ BP. add another w/ smokeless loads.
Most people don't trust them anyway past their orig firing for fear of the base wad coming loose and sticking in the bore.
Not a problem when using a single or SxS if you are in the habit of checking betw shots.
My first repeating shotgun was a Winchester M42 410. They handed that to me cause I was so small for my age. It came with a wooden case of Peters paper 2 1/2" skeet loads.
I have the wooden case yet but that's all.
Lots of missed targets, game & frustraton with that one! but I remember those blue paper shells.
I loaded Federal paper hulls for a lot of years and still have a sizeable box of them to use up. I've saved them for BP loads now. Most all of the plastic hulls melt and leave strings of plastic in the bore. The Remington black plastic hull being an acception.
The paper hulls always loaded and crimped very nicely. A bit slower to load with card and fibre wads I still use. But plastic wads work just as well w/ smokeless loads.
Not a lot of reloads /per hull. 3 tops w/ BP. add another w/ smokeless loads.
Most people don't trust them anyway past their orig firing for fear of the base wad coming loose and sticking in the bore.
Not a problem when using a single or SxS if you are in the habit of checking betw shots.
My first repeating shotgun was a Winchester M42 410. They handed that to me cause I was so small for my age. It came with a wooden case of Peters paper 2 1/2" skeet loads.
I have the wooden case yet but that's all.
Lots of missed targets, game & frustraton with that one! but I remember those blue paper shells.
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DWalt
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I am unaware of these. Are paper cases going back into production? The main problem, at least for reloaders, was that paper cases generally had a fairly short reloading life, maybe 3-5 reloads (if you were lucky). The case mouths would get tattered and holes would burn through the sidewalls adjacent to the metal base. Maybe RP has redesigned the cases to eliminate such problems. Some paper cases (unless specially treated) would also swell if they got wet and could not be chambered. Federal continued to make paper cases somewhat after WW and RP had switched to all plastic. One reason was that some trap and skeet shooters greatly preferred using paper cases. But I don't know why. Back in the day, I reloaded thousands of paper cases, mainly Federal.
As previously mentioned, crumbling inside base wads was always a problem with RP cases. They were made out of something resembling compressed sawdust. Also at that time, the RP primers were of smaller diameter than the now-standard #209. Another mystery I never figured out.
As previously mentioned, crumbling inside base wads was always a problem with RP cases. They were made out of something resembling compressed sawdust. Also at that time, the RP primers were of smaller diameter than the now-standard #209. Another mystery I never figured out.
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I might try a box or two if I see them.
Old trap shooters loved the Federal paper hulls but I don't think they are made any more?
Lots of ATA shooters that did not reload, would cave in the crimp area with their thumb before tossing it...........
Blue.........
I do still have some plastic "Blue Magic" that I still load and place in the original boxs, along with the case they came in.
I have been asked for them a few times, when at the trap club.
Old trap shooters loved the Federal paper hulls but I don't think they are made any more?
Lots of ATA shooters that did not reload, would cave in the crimp area with their thumb before tossing it...........
Blue.........
I do still have some plastic "Blue Magic" that I still load and place in the original boxs, along with the case they came in.
I have been asked for them a few times, when at the trap club.
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So far as I know, Federal is still making paper hulls. I have quite a few flats of Federal Paper factory loads, and have reloaded many of these with no issues.
I also still load the Peters Blue Magics.
DWalt
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Somewhat off topic, but back when I was an active clay shooter (over 30 years ago now), I discovered that Fiocci plastic cases just didn't wear out. I had several hundred in 12 Gauge which I reloaded dozens of times each. They were sort of a light purple color. They got dirty, but everything else seemed unaffected by use. Paper case lives didn't come anywhere close.
StakeOut
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While I was a competition Skeet shooter(AAA) I used Federal Paper 12GA shells exclusivly.The shot pattern out of my Perazzi Mirage was better than others I tried.For some events they had to be ordered ahead and drop shipped to event locations since all 5 on my team used them.
In 20GA,28GA and 410 Bore AA were my prefered choice mostly because the hulls were the best for reloading and had a high resale price for the once fired hulls.
In 20GA,28GA and 410 Bore AA were my prefered choice mostly because the hulls were the best for reloading and had a high resale price for the once fired hulls.
I always liked a shot gun that's name started with...........
BT or ended with OF or ZZI.................
I had some free hulls for reloading but only loaded them one time since the wads were "Fiber" and did not want any floating down my barrel....
even though I always open the O/U and checked the bores.
The "Uni hull", the only way to fly.................
At $20.00 a box I'll let someone else shoot them.
StakeOut
US Veteran
I always liked a shot gun that's name started with...........
BT or ended with OF or ZZI.................
I had some free hulls for reloading but only loaded them one time since the wads were "Fiber" and did not want any floating down my barrel....
even though I always open the O/U and checked the bores.
The "Uni hull", the only way to fly.................
Before the shogun ending in azzi I shot a few ending in gton as in 1100 and 3200
They were not up to the task.
Krieghoff = pretty on the outside,junk on the inside.
Oh, sorry...........
there is 2 FF's , in.... OFF.
Never owned one, just tried to beat those guys.......... !!
My fun skeet shotgun is my duck hunting 931 Gasser.......
only bad thing is the hulls end up on the deck !!
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Had no idea they still produced paper hull shells. I shot a few of them when I was a kid I found around my grandfather's place. My dad let me shoot them up for practice out of a single shot 16 gauge. He was willing to let me burn them up because they were considered old compared to the new plastic Winchester super x shells he used.
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DWalt
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If that's true, it's insane.
I remember that back in the tail end of Winchester's production of paper case shells in the approximate mid-60s period, their cases were terrible quality. You might get one reload out of them. That may have been the intent. As I remember, they did not yet use a plastic shot cup, but they did use a piece of thin plastic as a wrapper around the shot column. I used quite a number of them, mainly because they were fairly cheap, and a nearby discount store usually had them on sale, around $2/box as I remember.
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Didn't know they were around either. Gotta get out more. Used to pick up paper hulls when I was a kid. That price is nuts if correct. Curtailed some Trap shooting after shells started going for $11-12 a box. Used to pay $6 or 7.
DWalt
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I have understood that reloading shotshells is becoming somewhat of a lost art because of the current prices of components are prohibitive. I have a lot of good shotshell reloading equipment, but since I quit shooting clays over 20 years ago, I haven't used it. But I still have enough shot and primers to load up maybe 1000 empty cases if I wanted to.
I have read that one real advantage paper-cased shotshells have is for use in extremely cold environments - Alaska, northhern Canada and Russia, Scandanavian countries, etc. Plastic cases will shatter upon firing, paper cases will not. But maybe the plastic has improved by now.
I have read that one real advantage paper-cased shotshells have is for use in extremely cold environments - Alaska, northhern Canada and Russia, Scandanavian countries, etc. Plastic cases will shatter upon firing, paper cases will not. But maybe the plastic has improved by now.
Switched to plastic many years ago, switching from brands like Peters Victor blue paper ammo to plastic Peters. Shot and reloaded Blue Magic hulls for years. No more wet ammo, swollen hulls, paper separating from brass base, crimps not holding without soaking the crimp in wax. No advantages to go back now.
Maybe they are more environmentally friendly?????
Maybe they are more environmentally friendly?????
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On a crisp day out in the field, paper hulls smell better after they've been fired.
DWalt
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With all the emphasis on wokeness today, it is possible that being more environmentally friendly by eliminating plastic cases could be considered as a sales point. Some fast food places have changed to using paper straws for that reason.
StakeOut
US Veteran
After major skeet,trap and sporting clay events there are thousands of plastic hulls left on the ground by the competitors.
This is not a new disposal problem.
This is not a new disposal problem.
I wouldn't be surprised if Win is getting this paper hulled ammo all made up from some overseas maker like Cheddite.
Or at least the paper hulls supplied colored and w/printed graphics.
There was some rumblings around the shotshell reloadering bunch that Winchester was going to be the exclusive US distributor of Cheddite's shotshell primers, which right now are about the least expensive around,,and the only ones around in most areas.
Rumor is just that and nothing more.
But as far as those paper hulls go,,,like anything else in industry they usually buy it if they can instead of making it
$20/box is pricey nostalgia IMO.
I reload mine so I pick up the empties and a lot of other peoples too.
But it's shameful to see the emptys on the ground on some courses right next to the trash bbl for same. Sometimes empty shell boxes too.
Too much effort I guess.
Or at least the paper hulls supplied colored and w/printed graphics.
There was some rumblings around the shotshell reloadering bunch that Winchester was going to be the exclusive US distributor of Cheddite's shotshell primers, which right now are about the least expensive around,,and the only ones around in most areas.
Rumor is just that and nothing more.
But as far as those paper hulls go,,,like anything else in industry they usually buy it if they can instead of making it
$20/box is pricey nostalgia IMO.
I reload mine so I pick up the empties and a lot of other peoples too.
But it's shameful to see the emptys on the ground on some courses right next to the trash bbl for same. Sometimes empty shell boxes too.
Too much effort I guess.
