Get ready for the future

[DWalt]

Appears that Beretta and True Velocity are joining up to civilianize the NGSW and 6.8mm TVC plastic case ammo. This is the article:
[SHOT 2022] Beretta & True Velocity Confirm Partnership & Announce Civilian RM277 -The Firearm Blog

[Rudi]

I saw some plastic case ammo at the store last week. WIERD looking.

[Nevada Ed]

Already here ?? !!

I thought that the Military had it all for a while and that it would be years
before we common folk would ever get to use any.

Lipstick bullets............
now plastic cases...........

my, oh my.

[pantannojack]

20 or thirty years ago in American Rifleman, I read an article describing a 'Tround". A rounded triangle shaped plastic cartridge case which I think was part of the propellant charge, therefor, leaving only the primer to be ejected after firing.

[DWalt]

Originally Posted by pantannojack

20 or thirty years ago in American Rifleman, I read an article describing a 'Tround". A rounded triangle shaped plastic cartridge case which I think was part of the propellant charge, therefor, leaving only the primer to be ejected after firing.

The Tround was something quite different. It did have a plastic case, but it simply contained the bullet, primer and propellant. The case was not consumed on firing. Its triangular shape was needed for the somewhat unusually designed revolver made for it. In essence, it was a conventional cartridge, except for the triangular plastic case. I have some stories about my involvement in the Tround cartridge and gun concerning the TSA. But it is far too long to go into here.

[deyomatic]

Plastic? Oh great...it's just going to end up in the ocean...unless we ban it!

[gmiller0737]

Originally Posted by pantannojack

20 or thirty years ago in American Rifleman, I read an article describing a 'Tround". A rounded triangle shaped plastic cartridge case which I think was part of the propellant charge, therefor, leaving only the primer to be ejected after firing.

Trounds were used in Dardick Pistols (I've read about them in the past & seen A few Pictures but that's it)

[STORMINORMAN]

Could this "future" possibly include non-reloadable (even once!) ammunition...?

After all, the 2nd Amendment is silent as to any Right to Have Ammunition, right? Or to Reload?

PS. It isn't there, just like the Right to Privacy, the Right of the Medias to Lie, or the Right to Decide about One's Own Healthcare (well, except for the one notable exception!)...

What a total CROCK!

[Eddie Southgate]

I'd have to pass.

[jimbo728]

Originally Posted by Nevada Ed

Already here ?? !!

I thought that the Military had it all for a while and that it would be years
before we common folk would ever get to use any.

Lipstick bullets............
now plastic cases...........

my, oh my.

Sealed with a kiss.
Jim

[hkcavalier]

Big advantages to the military. Weight savings means a lot to the folks that have to carry it around. Logistics wonks like lighter stuff too; if 25% more can get into a C-130 or C-17, that's a good thing.

No real advantage to civilians unless it can become cheaper than other options. That's been the advantage of plastic for ages...it's cheap and easy to form.

[luvsmiths]

Just think- to "load" your own ammo, all you would need is a computer and a 3D printer!

[rogerwnuss]

Originally Posted by DWalt

The Tround was something quite different. It did have a plastic case, but it simply contained the bullet, primer and propellant. The case was not consumed on firing. Its triangular shape was needed for the somewhat unusually designed revolver made for it. In essence, it was a conventional cartridge, except for the triangular plastic case. I have some stories about my involvement in the Tround cartridge and gun concerning the TSA. But it is far too long to go into here.

Wasn't that more like forty or even fifty years ago?

[teletech]

Indeed, we have that notorious anti group the US military to thank for the continued funding for plastic case ammo. They are big users of the other non-traditional cases as well, like those nickel-steel/aluminum jobs, aluminum, and so-forth. Anything that makes shooting cheaper and easier to carry more ammo is interesting to the military, and me too for that matter since I can tell the difference in a mag of aluminum case vs brass case ammo, particularly at the end of the day. I gather the air services are particularly interested. A 25% difference in ammo weight could mean some serious additional rounds into the enemy from a door-gunner's point of view or one more guy (or gal) who gets out of the LZ on a trip.
For the rest of us, I'm pretty happy with brass cased ammo as a reloader, but if they want to sell me plastic hulls for a good price so I don't have to collect, sort, clean, polish, resize, trim, ... my brass, and then have a lighter range bag for my lack of trouble... well. let's just say I'll try to keep an open mind. What irks me is all the stepped-case 9mm and small-primer 45 brass I'm finding now. Having to hand-inspect every case for those situations is part of what makes plastic cases start to seem interesting.
OTOH, out at the public land used as ranges, we already have the problem of plastic shotgun hulls and steel cases. I do wish folks would clean up their litter so as to not ruin it for the rest of us, but it's true that plastic cased ammo will make this worse.

[swsig]

Another benefit is that the use of plastic case ammo should help with this problem: Stall Etiquette

[DWalt]

Originally Posted by rogerwnuss

Wasn't that more like forty or even fifty years ago?

Before that, I think the Dardick/Tround revolver was around at least in the early 1960s. One thing interesting about the design is that wasn't difficult to change calibers, up to a point. My involvement in the idea goes back to the aftermath of 9/11 when TSA was looking for a handgun (or handguns) that airline pilots could be armed with in the event of an on-board terrorist attack. I'll stop at that point.