Just go info -- there is not going to be any new 9mm & 223 & 308 for a while.

All Foreign ammunition manufacturers have stopped all commercial production of ammunition and have switched to military supply mode. All of the European countries have placed massive orders for ammunition.

I do not know about US production but I suspect the same is true.

This also means there will be a shortage of components.

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Yup, I saw that coming

I guess it will be another 2 years before we get primers

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I’m not questioning the accuracy of your announcement but would like to know the source.

I’d suggest in any case whether fact or fantasy that folks better stock up even at today’s prices. In a year or two those that didn’t stockup will wish they did. Inflation and shortages will keep prices high and drive them higher.

Even at higher prices I’ve been increasing my stockpile of primers and powder and 22LR ammo. I’m old enough to have seen 22LR 50 round boxes go from 50 cents to $5 and even close to $10. I’ve seen primers go from a little over $1/100 to near $10/100 at dealer prices. I thought for a while we’d see prices come down and stay a while but I’m not so sure now.

Thank heavens I didn't heed the advice to wait it out until prices came down. Advice usually dispensed by well stocked people ...

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If prices aren't coming down, and components are never coming back, then it is the end of the shooting sports. Not everyone has a 20 years supply. And the way things are heading, it is going to be an eternal shortage.

Gun control through shortage. They won after all.

I'd be curious to see the source on that as well. I've heard this particular rumor plenty of times before without it bearing fruit.

That said, we are definitely losing Russian ammo, and despite rumors that some of the companies are moving equipment out of the country even prior to the Ukraine invasion, that is really going to hurt the low end of the ammo market.

A "source" that I saw was last week all local shops seem to have got cleaned out, and told me their Distributors dried up on the little they were seeing also.

I'm believing it.

Then, there is little stuff like this:
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“Thank you for your business and for your continued support of American jobs and manufacturing. As we continue to see supply chain constraints and increases in our raw materials, we are increasing our pricing to help offset those rising costs,” the letter said. The price increases will go into effect on April 1 of 2022, and will apply to Vista’s CCI, Federal, Hevi–Shot, Remington, and SPEER ammunition sub-brands.
In addition, the company said that no primer orders will be accepted until further notice.
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I laugh thinking about people who said some were going to choke on the ammo they bought, and they wouldn't buy till 9mm was back to 9 bucks a box.

Good luck with that!
Nationwide Ammo Shortages: The Ammo is Gone
Why the Great Ammo Shortage Won't Go Away Anytime Soon - 19FortyFive
And in October 2021....

I don't know what else to tell you. It's going to dry up again. Since last video in October, just a FEW things have come up..... and shooting season is right around the corner!

Just went down cellar to add some small and large pistol primers I found in a gun shop i recently visited in Lancaster Pa., to my hoard.
As near as I can figure roughly 12K. Box contains Large and small rifle in both standard and magnum, and large and small pistol in standard and magnum.
That doesn’t include 6 K in 209’s in a separate box.
Guess I’m good should the buggers attack.

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I see plenty of ammo online and at two of my local places. Prices are not great but 9mm is now selling at $17-$18 per box.

Without a source cited, this is just more Chicken Little stuff.

Every place I’ve gone to in the last several weeks has had plenty of ammo on the shelves.

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One of your sources is an article from January 27th, 2013. Nine years ago.

All foreign manufacturers have stopped all commercial production…. Source?

Not a bad start. I'm glad to hear you have primers to load with. There are fewer loaders every day who have primers. Luckily I'm not one of them. I put in a good supply when things were good.

I would love to say I saw this extent of shortage coming. When primers started to rise in price instead of buying 1000 or 2000 as usual I bought 5000 when on sale or at a show. I did it to save money, not because I saw the extreme shortage coming. I did think there would be a shortage but thought it would be no worse than previous shortages. This one is a lot worse for many reasons IMO.

Additionally ammo has been very scarce and when available the prices are way high. I can't remember there being such a scarce amount of all types and shapes of ammo ever. No SD ammo, no range ammo, no rifle match ammo, no rifle hunting ammo and so on.

Hopefully things will get repaired and we can go back to buying what we need without taking a loan out lol.

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I don't know about local stores since I haven't bought any locally for quite some time Almost all of my ammo purchases are made on line and there seems to be no real shortage of most popular calibers for the time being at least. I recently purchased CCI 9mm aluminum case for $14.99/50 with free shipping over $99.00 .
Not too terrible a price at present and I'm not sitting around waiting for the $10.00 a box 9mm to show up .
I don't know what's ahead as far as ammunition supplies are concerned but if I see any at a reasonable price now I am buying some.

Yes the sky is falling ! My LGS got in a whole pallet of foreign made
7.62x39. I don’t shoot that caliber so didn’t look at the price .

I hope not. If we value those sports and hope to retain them, we need to be generous with newbies and particularly youth who through no fault of their own will find it hard to learn to shoot in today's climate.

I've got a little extra and if a kid needs some I'll gladly part with a reasonable amount to make it possible for them to learn to shoot.

If I remember correctly, I didn't pay for my first rifle nor for the ammo I shot.

Let's all keep this in mind while we bewail the fact that we only have X thousands of .22 rounds and such.

Be generous if you can!

Yes....excellent point !

Ammo has been available in common calibers for several months. If you didn't resupply because you were waiting for it to become "cheaper", and are still without sufficient stockage, I am really not sure what to say to you besides stop complaining. If you have no ammo because you "refuse to buy factory", are a handloader, but have no primers, I have the same sentiment.

There's a big difference from then to now. The reason for the ammo shortage was that manufacturing and distribution stopped for 18 months. They are running full bore right now. There is ammo everywhere. If you look around on line, you can find 9mm range ammo for about $16 a box. The LGS's around me are all getting under $20 a box. I know, it's not 9$ but a dollar isn't worth what it was two years ago. Primers are around also if you want to pay for them. You might not be able to buy cheap, bulk Javelin missiles for a while but Ukraine won't have a big affect of available ammo here in the US.

Last week at the Warehouse they had a massive stock of 223-5.56.
About as much as I’ve ever seen anywhere.
And a bunch of 9mm.
Some of the other Handgun ammo like 38 Spec missing.
I see 223-5.56 and 9mm just about everywhere I go.
Yesterday I was at the Kirtland AFB BX.
No 38, 380 or 22LR.
But a fair amount of other handgun and rifle ammo.
The other day I bought 2-333 boxes of 22 at Walmart.
I have a bunch of 22, but when I see it at a good price, I buy some.
I still say, buy it when you see it!

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Let the hoarding begin!! Wait a minute don't think it ever ended the last few years.

This is from an associate who works in the industry. I believe it has been published in a couple of trade places.

Either way it makes perfect sense.

Sellier & Bellot announced that they will be shifting production to 5.56, 9mm, 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 for their military use until sometime in the future, and will not be filling commercial orders for now.

RWS and RUAG have been contracted by the German gov't to crank out ammo and munitions for emergency Ukraine relief.

With Russia throwing threats at Finland, Lapua has been ordered to focus on increasing war stocks, so export orders are temporarily suspended. Rumor has it that Finland is also considering send buttloads to Ukraine as a middle finger to Russia.

Likewise, Hungary has also tasked MFS with emergency stockpile expansion and temporarily ceasing exports.

Norma refuses to comment and remains silent, as does Fiocchi.

Aguila, CBC and Geco have claimed no plans to alter current production or deliveries.

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Has anyone figured in the high price of fuel that is impacting the cost of everything that will be passed on to consumers.

Looks like the shortage is over already , just got this yesterday . All the calibers mentioned are listed for sale. I load mine so don't depend on manufacturers for mine.

Ammo In Stock - 9mm, 5.56, 380, 7.62 and More | SGAmmo.com

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So they wait for a war to start before they stock up?

Or they're anticipating a need to RE-stock.

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My best deal in a while - 9mm range ammo at 13.88 per box of 50. Picking up 900 rounds later today.

Ammo manufacturers are in the business to make money, they'll figure out a way to keep ammo on the shelves now that covid is no longer shutting down factories.
Will prices ever go back to 'normal'? Likely not, as on a globe with 8 billion humans on it, normal seems to be increasingly viewed in the rear view mirror.

I suspect there will be some ammo made in the US for the US market as others have said. Now the issue is, will people start panic buying and snag it all.

Note, I am in the "arms business" sort of and am trying to work with Ukraine to get them some various armaments I have available. Would you believe they said they wanted "donations" and were not interested in "purchasing" anything! They are being invaded and wanted this stuff for free! I told them if I found someone willing to buy it for them, I would let them know. :-)

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Is the sky falling again?

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That's 90% of the ACTUAL problem. We are our own worst enemy. Stockpiling without end, hoarding without end, and continuing to panic buy no matter how expensive by some segments is what keeps the crisis alive.

The people buying up no matter how expensive, then chastising us for not being part of the problem like themselves, are part of the problem. Like some of the posters on these here forums.

The people who buy up 2,000 primers when they see them and already have 12,000 at home they don't use are part of the problem.

The guys with 40,000 rounds, and often hoping for high prices for under the table sales of their cache are part of the problem.

The people who stockpiled and have for a while and say "I don't care about anyone else, go to hell" are part of the problem.

Sad to see all these problem makers try to lionize themselves during a long term supply crisis.

Prices seem to be rising again at the bottom tier, which is the only stuff I normally buy.

9mm- I think it's fair to assume Mesko (Poland), S&B (Czech Republic), etc will focus on filling military orders, and those countries are stockpiling right now. Those are NATO countries on the edge of a warzone.
Lots of other cheap ammo on the scene right now is coming from Turkey, also a NATO member, I could see them prioritizing military deals over commercial soon too.

Obviously the Russian and Ukrainian sources are gone now.

Very likely the neutral parties like Serbia (PPU, Belom etc) are also filling orders, maybe for both sides of the potential conflicts to come.

There's anxiety about Taiwan, which I assume would affect PMC (South Korean) availability.

It makes a lot of sense, as long as the US market remains open; countries can flip this ammo in 'surplus white box' sales when things cool down.

IF... if things cool down

NATO had a two year back order on ammo coming out of the pandemic. That's why you see a lot of availability of 9mm, 223, 7.62x51 and 7.26x39. The manufacturers have set up for that and that's what they are putting on the market first because that's what they have first. That doesn't mean that NATO is short of ammo. They have enough munitions in storage to fight a 5 year war even if the supply stops completely. What happens in the event that there is a peace time slow down in supply is that they curtail training. The ammo that they are buying is to replace ammo from stores that is used for training. If they can't replace it, they don't train. They don't dip into the ammo that they have put away for fighting. The ammo that they will give to Ukraine is a very small fraction of what they have on hand. They're not dipping into their battle reserves. It's the same with the other stuff they are giving them. They aren't taking Stingers and Javelins away from NATO line units to give away. It's the planned excess they are using and it exists with just about everything needed for a war. Unless there is something more to this, which I doubt, this fear of another shortage is tin hat stuff.

I know it is.... I just wanted you all to see back. This isn't new!

Don't cherry pick info is what I was trying to say.

You missed that!

Didnt you listen to what he said in vid.( obviously not- as he also keeps repeating that he hears this same **** every day) There are SO MANY NEW shooters. Look at all the guns being sold. You think all those people may want a few hundred rounds for each?

A few hundred times millions of people adds up.

It is not hoarding when you shoot. For me to lay back 20K rounds of each 9mm, 223, and 45 ACP, when I will shoot it is not hoarding. We're shooting. The ones waiting for 9 dollar a box 9mm aren't.

Can you shoot 5k rounds of each this summer if you want?
I'll shoot a 500-1000 of 223 every weekend through the summer, if I choose to.

Don't come down on those of us that can....and DO actually shoot.

And I will continue to add as *I* see fit. Not as *YOU* see fit FOR me, but thanks for your concern.
Everyone else is free to do the same, if they desire, as you have your silent protest.

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The guys with 40,000 rounds, and often hoping for high prices for under the table sales of their cache are part of the problem.

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Maybe some people but I'll bet that some people are hoping the price comes down before they shoot up their 40,000 rounds. One never knows, does one. Larry

Saw Nascar's R. Childress is buying 1 million rounds to send to the Ukraine on the news last week.

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You might not like the price or the 500 round limit but it is available. A couple weeks ago copper almost reached $5 a pound, scrap has been going for $4 a pound.

Well, that's the real trick, isn't it?

On a somewhat encouraging note, I checked prices online Sunday morning, on a whim. Most things were the same as always, but I came across LAX selling 9mm "range grade" reloads at $134.95 per 500, with an ammo can. Let me order 2, with a code to take additional 5% off. Tax and shipping still pushed it over $300, but I've used them before and think I might trust a known reloader over an unknown brand.

For those bad with math (like me), that was $12.82 a box of 50, prior to taxes and (high) shipping.
I suspect I'll get loose ammo in each can, instead of boxed. But the cans themselves might be worth a couple bucks (who knows, maybe I will get a couple 30 cal USGI cans?).

I caught that one also...

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Those people need to up their game if they only have 12k on hand. At a hundred rounds a week, they'll be out in about 2 years. I'm not confident primers will be readily available in 2 years.

Unless a person only expects to live another 8 years, 40K isn't enough.

Obviously there are limits to what a person can realistically stockpile but I'm not confident that the ammo/component supply will improve.

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I wonder how a private individual goes about buying a million rounds?

Group buy, anyone?

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Was advised to run 500 45ACP daily for one year to get the basics under my belt by the OIC/Colonel of the Base Pistol Team.

20k rounds of 22LR can quickly disappear when our kids became of age.
20K of 5.56 as well in the Colts.
The list goes on as we also load and there was 10 flights of Trap each week to gain the skills over a 6 month span times two of us.

Do the math as it is part of getting to be Well Regulated besides just plain old fun family fun.

Archery is great as well as airguns in the backyard 20 yard area.

Hoarding dollars ain't easy but spending them in this manner....
priceless.

When someone says, thank you for your service", I always reply, thanks for paying your fair share of taxes".

How many bricks of match grade ammo can a smallbore shooter run thru in practice so Airmen always out X the other Military Services?
We always bought them a Coors beer so they got a taste of something Golden.

Just kidding as my new screen name is OuttaAmmo.

Will trade Lat/Lons of productive fishing areas in the Keys for Primers.

I might be seeing the future as foretold by DragonBoy.

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Why would it be necessary to blow though a hundred rounds per week when future supply may be questionable?

I swear, some people blow more ammo in a weekend than my Grandfather did in his entire lifetime of hunting and living on a farm.

The problem with these arguments is that the line between "willing to pay" and "able to get" becomes blurred. Everything is available right now. You couldn't say that a year ago. Right now I could back my truck up to the LGS door and load it with primers until the springs sag if I want to pay $125 per 1000. A year ago I could walk into the same store with a fist full of Benjamin's and ask for primers and the owner would send me away. If you want to shoot and you don't mind paying, then you should buy what you need. If you don't feel comfortable without 100000 rounds in your gun room, by all means, buy it. On the other hand, if you need to save or make money, shooting is probably a good activity to stay away from.

Because golf is boring.

On a serious note, as the three slices of Key Lime Pie throttle back, and the Turkey is roasting.... have been low volume shooter for some time and saving the components for letting people run 5 on the 460s when our Rogue Wave grip demos occur.
Fun shared.

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Hunting and shooting are two different things. If you participate in any type of shooting competition, 100 rounds is nothing. I don't even need a gun to hunt.