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Old 07-31-2022, 11:54 PM
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A 22 short killed a guy outside of Gallup - he was accidentally shot in the lower abdomen by a friend while eradicating prairie dogs from some grazing land. He told the friend he was okay, then had to sit down. By the time I arrived he was dead from internal bleeding - the 22 Short HP clipped a major blood vessel. Only a trickle of blood oozed from the wound; the friend said that the victim just kept getting more pale before losing consciousness.
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Virtually none of our enemies in hot, sandy places are signatories either.
some US spec ops units have been using hollow points for quite a while. Black Hills I believe, originally.
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Old 08-01-2022, 06:29 AM
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Beemerguy, there is another point shown by your anecdata: you can't count on a pistol to stop a bad guy. Both recipients were fully functional after being shot.
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Old 08-01-2022, 10:47 AM
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One of the major reasons not to use reloaded ammunition (remanufactured by someone like Black Hills doesn't count) has to do with gunshot residue testing. Should you be involved in a shooting where they actually do the CSI thing and test for gunshot residue to determine the distance the shooting took place, the ammunition used will be factory ammo of the brand your cases are.

Maybe 20 years ago in southwest Virginia there was a case where the shooter stated the shooting was at/near contact distance. State crime lab testing indicated this wasn't the case, he was convicted. Records from Federal indicated that the test ammo wasn't from the same lot as that used in the shooting, the powder was different and therefore the test was invalid. Case overturned on appeal and eventually he was acquitted.

The ammo companies keep exemplar samples from each lot of each variety of ammo exactly for this purpose. Their records are that of an independent third party and court acceptable.

BTW, this is also one of several reasons you should avoid-if possible-any estimate of the distance any attacker was from you.

For post92, no particular advantage either way, but most full wadcutters are low velocity target rounds. There are some hard cast full wadcutter factory loads available. Where you put the bullet is far more important than it's shape, design or diameter.
Why didn’t the crime lab test for residue from the reloaded powder?
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I think I'll stick my with flat nose FMJ then because I'm comfortable with it. I can't find any hollow points consistently near me and I can't use an ammo I can't consistently get to practice with. S&B it is, guess the rule about knowing what is beyond my target will have to be followed rigidly, though I'm assuming that applies to hollow points too
Flat point FMJ would be an improvement over standard ball.
I load them (Winchester White Box) in my .380’s, alternating with JHP in each magazine.
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Beemerguy, there is another point shown by your anecdata: you can't count on a pistol to stop a bad guy. Both recipients were fully functional after being shot.
Well, they were conscious and alert, but badly wounded. In an adversarial situation, they would have been no more good.

Thinking back, in a surprising number of our shootings, the victims were not unconscious, but they were definitely out of action. Others were DRT (Dead Right There)...

My last two shootings, in the summer of 2004, were both fatals. The first victim was a 22 year old who had six 9mm rounds in the center of his chest. We commenced CPR, and when the medics got there, we assisted them all the way to Shock-Trauma downtown. They made a heroic effort to save his life there, but when they opened his chest, his heart had been destroyed. We went back to scene to flush the blood, and the police told us the shooter was a 15 year old who already had an outstanding homicide warrant. I just shook my head...

My last fatal shooting was on August 1, 2004, at 3 in the morning. He was 18 years old, and was lying face down in an impossibly big pool of blood. He had a single entry wound dead-center in his chest, and an exit wound about 4" in diameter centered between his shoulder blades. Our protocols required us to begin Advanced Life Support, so we started CPR.. When the paramedics arrived, they made the decision to take him to a local hospital so he could be formally pronounced, and that's what we did. My younger son was the same age as our victim, and as we were working on him, all I could think of was that in a couple of hours, this kid's mother is going to answer a knock at her door, and the police will tell her that her baby's dead...very, very depressing.
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