Help Me With Ammo Confusion

boykinlp · Nov 4, 2022

Please help me with some ammo confusion. Here we go. I think .32auto and 7.65mm are the same, and can be shot from a Walther PPK. BUT, I also saw an ad for a Luger, and within this same ad, it stated this particular Luger was both a .30 Luger and 7.65mm. How can this be true? I don't think that a PPK will shoot .30 Luger ammo. I also see 9mm Parabellum or 9mm Luger. So please take me to school, and be gentle. Thanks.
Larry

Sam McCord · Nov 4, 2022

Just different names for same cartridges. 7.65 Browning is also 32 ACP, same cartridge; 7.65 Luger is also 30 Luger, same cartridge; 9mm Parabellum is also 9mm Luger.

Dave_n · Nov 5, 2022

If you move over to rifles, then you will have some "learning to do." For example, 0.303 Enfield is not the same as 0.303 Savage or 0.303 Japanese. Then when you start looking at 7 mm and see the number of non-metric equivalents, you will really have fun. Another one that does confuse at times is 0.38 Special versus 0.38 S&W. Enjoy!! Dave_n

Skeptic 9c · Nov 5, 2022

Don't confuse .32 ACP and 7.65 Luger, entirely different cartridges.
My favorite explanation for cartridge names; they were invented by the English, then the Advertising department took over.
Geoff
Who has been around awhile.

STORMINORMAN · Nov 5, 2022

Now, when you start talkin' about 380acp you can really get a bunch of different names (as in 8!) for the same ammo...!

Cheers!

Tu_S · Nov 5, 2022

boykinlp said:
Please help me with some ammo confusion. Here we go. I think .32auto and 7.65mm are the same, and can be shot from a Walther PPK. BUT, I also saw an ad for a Luger, and within this same ad, it stated this particular Luger was both a .30 Luger and 7.65mm. How can this be true? I don't think that a PPK will shoot .30 Luger ammo. I also see 9mm Parabellum or 9mm Luger. So please take me to school, and be gentle. Thanks.
Larry

You need to specify more than just 7.65mm.

7.65x21, .30 Lugar, and 7.65mm Lugar are the same, and can correctly be called 7.65mm.

.32 ACP, 7.65mm Browning, 7.65x17 SR Browning, and 7.65mm Browning Short, are also names used for the same thing, and can also be referred to as 7.65mm.

9x19 Parabellum, 9mm Parabellum, and 9mm Lugar are the same, and distinct from the other two rounds..

STORMINORMAN · Nov 5, 2022

Tu_S said:
You need to specify more than just 7.65mm.

7.65x21, .30 Lugar, and 7.65mm Lugar are the same, and can correctly be called 7.65mm.

.32 ACP, 7.65mm Browning, 7.65x17 SR Browning, and 7.65mm Browning Short, are also names used for the same thing, and can also be referred to as 7.65mm.

9x19 Parabellum, 9mm Parabellum, and 9mm Lugar are the same, and distinct from the other two rounds..

Unfortunately, this statement may be quite misleading, as "7.65mm" is ONLY PART of the proper identification of the ammo and does not define WHICH 7.65mm cartridge one is referring to.

Just like saying "9mm can also be referred to ..." or encompasses all the 9mms..?

Lugar, Parabellum, Short, Kurtz, Largo, 9x17, 9x18, 9x19, 9x21, 9x23...

Then there's the ol' 44: but, is it the Magnum, Special, -40, or Russian...?

Cheers!

Tu_S · Nov 5, 2022

STORMINORMAN said:
Unfortunately, this statement may be quite misleading, as "7.65mm" is ONLY PART of the proper identification of the ammo and does not define WHICH 7.65mm cartridge one is referring to.

Just like saying "9mm can also be referred to ..." or encompasses all the 9mms..?

Lugar, Parabellum, Short, Kurtz, Largo, 9x17, 9x18, 9x19, 9x21, 9x23...

Then there's the ol' 44: but, is it the Magnum, Special, -40, or Russian...?

Cheers!

Sorry, but did you miss the "You need to specify more than just 7.65mm...", part of what I said? Everything else is doing what you did, pointing out the details are important

Racer X · Nov 6, 2022

then there is 22 ammo............

boykinlp · Nov 6, 2022

Ok, I'm better now. When I saw 7.65mm for both the PPK and the Luger, I was thrown. I own a PPK and want a Luger, and I knew my PPK didn't shoot a neck downed shell, and didn't think a Luger shot a .32auto. After researching a bit, I understand now.
Thanks for the help.
Larry

CZU · Nov 6, 2022

7.65mm Parabellum would be the correct way to refer to 30 cal Luger or 7.65mm Luger. European makers have it right labeling ammo this way, I don't think I have ever seen an American maker label it in this way. I collect this cartridge, a few pics below. The red label & blue label Winchester boxes almost got it right, at least Parabellum was mentioned on the label. The orange label Win box was almost there as well, 30 caliber not on label. A few boxes below.

Dave_n · Nov 6, 2022

The original Luger (Swiss Army) was in 7.65 Luger, then the German Army wanted 9 mm... Dave_n

boykinlp · Nov 7, 2022

CZU said:
7.65mm Parabellum would be the correct way to refer to 30 cal Luger or 7.65mm Luger. European makers have it right labeling ammo this way, I don't think I have ever seen an American maker label it in this way. I collect this cartridge, a few pics below. The red label & blue label Winchester boxes almost got it right, at least Parabellum was mentioned on the label. The orange label Win box was almost there as well, 30 caliber not on label.

CZU, those are some cool boxes. from what I understand, it is extremely difficult to find it in stock nowadays.
Larry

ArchAngelCD · Nov 7, 2022

Don't feel bad, it's very easy to be confused since many types of ammo have multiple names.

Just look at the 380 ACP.
380 ACP = 380 Auto = 9x17mm = 9mm Short = 9mm Browning = 9mm Kurz = 9mm Cordo and maybe 1 or 2 more I don't know of lol...

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