New Remington 360 Buckhammer - missed opportunity

cmj8591 · Jan 2, 2023

keithhagan said:
We don't.

We use the shortened 30-30 case and, instead of necking up to 35 caliber, we neck up to 10mm/.40 caliber. Thus, we have a rimmed, straight-wall cartridge in 10mm/.40 caliber.

I think this overlooks a big reason why they did this the way they did. The round was designed specifically to be used in a lever action rifle. The reason that a tapered case is preferred is to take advantage of the funnel effect getting the round from the elevator into the chamber. Maybe they figure that giving that up to go to 10mm wouldn't be worth any perceived change in hunting performance. A 35 caliber 200 grain bullet vs. a 40 caliber 200 grain bullet in actual field use would be marginal at best. Maybe they just picked that caliber out of a hat.

biku324 · Jan 2, 2023

Let me add to this - almost any action that will accommodate a 25-35, 30-30, 32 Special, 38-55, or 375 Win will also accommodate a 'taperable' but less common 444 Remington.

cmj8591 · Jan 2, 2023

biku324 said:
Let me add to this - almost any action that will accommodate a 25-35, 30-30, 32 Special, 38-55, or 375 Win will also accommodate a 'taperable' but less common 444 Remington.

There's not much taper on a 444 Marlin for sure. That may be why it's like shucking rocks working them in and out of an 1895. It is a good hunting cartridge for what it is though. It is too long to comply with the regulations in those straight walled places otherwise I think it might be a good choice.

slickracer · Jan 2, 2023

Yawn, another cartridge that will fall into obscurity.

Paul in Nevada · Jan 3, 2023

Is Remington still around? They have had a rough decade.

Remington partnering with Henry is very amusing considering how Remington used to own Marlin and tried to run it into the ground.
What I see from another forum post is that the initial chambering will be a 200gr bullet at 2100fps. Somewhat underwhelming. Remington doesn't list a 200gr 357 bullet so it's tough to draw conclusions. Looking at the Hornady 200gr FTX (which is probably a better bullet than whatever Remington will offer), we get a BC of 0.300 which isn't as bad as you might think. With a 100 yard zero that's a 4.4" drop at 200 yards, 10" at 300 yards. 1959ft/lbs at the muzzle, 1515 at 100 yards, 1161 at 200 yards, 886ft/lbs at 300 yards (oof).
The bullet in the pic looks like a Core-Lokt RN, which means the factory ballistics might be a lot worse than what I calculated for the FTX.
Personally, I am not in the market.

6string · Jan 3, 2023

To the right bunch of guys, this is gonna be an awesome cartridge.
I'm talking about handloaders and cast bullet shooters!
It's based off the 30-30 case, so brass will be cheap and plentiful. Just reform your own. The bullet size, intended bullet weight range, and velocity is perfect for cast bullets.
The straight tapered case is reminiscent of the 38-55 and 45-70, to name a couple, so that's a plus for several reasons.

I bet a few guys will never even put a round of jacketed or factory ammo through theirs! Just buy a new set of dies, reform some 30-30 brass, and rummage through your mold collection to find a nice .358" cast bullet in the 180-225 gr range.
Skip the $2.00-a-shot store bought ammo!

Lets just hope the barrels and chambers are properly made, with the right depth of cut for the lands, the right rifling twist, and sufficient throat taper to accomodate different cast bullet nose profiles.

erikpolcrack · Feb 12, 2023

Would a shortened 405 Win or a shortened, slightly tapered 444 Marlin work for this desired compliant 40 cal?

biku324 · Feb 12, 2023

The 405 JESS is the 444 case shortened to 2.050" and tapered to 405 Winchester bullet diameter.

Ackley1952 · Feb 12, 2023

im glad they experimented with the 22 short and came up with the long rifle, that smokeless powder is working out well for me also. Im sure there were those at the time that said it was unnecessary.

David.Hylton · Feb 12, 2023

"It should have been straight-wall, not tapered. Should have been in 10mm/.40 caliber, not 35."

You mean like the .400 legend? SAAMI approved it Jan. 15.

David.Hylton · Feb 12, 2023

Here's the link: https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Public-Introduction-400-Legend-2023-01-30.pdf or New SAAMI Accepted Cartridge: 400 Legend !? -The Firearm Blog

Patrick L · Feb 12, 2023

Kepp in mind, Remington is no longer Remington. You can't compare what now passes for Remington with the great company that brought us (just to name a few) the 7mm Remington Magnum, the . 44 Remington Magnum, and let's cut the list at the Model 1100. We could go on and on and on talking about that Remington.

keithhagan · Feb 13, 2023

David.Hylton said:
"It should have been straight-wall, not tapered. Should have been in 10mm/.40 caliber, not 35."

You mean like the .400 legend? SAAMI approved it Jan. 15.

Yup! Thanks, for this!

Paul in Nevada · Feb 13, 2023

As an aside with all this talk about 350 and 400 Legend... You want to know what would have made those cartridges better? Belted cases.

IAM Rand · Feb 13, 2023

Um, why. This is their reasoning for why you should get one.

360 Buckhammer is straight up better than other straight wall cartridges. The ultimate deer hunting straight wall cartridge, 360 BHMR is accurate and deadly out to 200 yards and optimized for lever action rifles. Easy to shoot with energy, velocity and drop similar to 30-30 Win, 360 Buckhammer is the best hunting cartridge when you want to use a lever action rifle.

Not sure I understand why you are re-inventing the wheel and then comparing yourself to the previous wheel. Henry has enough going on that they don't really need to come up with a new cartridge.

All these new cartridges are making me scratch my head. Then again, I bought a 6ARC.

I like it but, not sure I got anything spectacular. Still working up a good load for hunting. Oh-well.

sigp220.45 · Feb 13, 2023

IAM Rand said:
Not sure I understand why you are re-inventing the wheel and then comparing yourself to the previous wheel. Henry has enough going on that they don't really need to come up with a new cartridge.

All these new cartridges are making me scratch my head. Then again, I bought a 6ARC. I like it but, not sure I got anything spectacular. Still working up a good load for hunting. Oh-well.

The why is pretty clear - in several states the .360 is legal for deer hunting and the .30/30 isn’t.

Bald1 · Feb 13, 2023

Should have called it the 36 Creedmore or 8mm manbun. Then it would have taken off. Just another caliber that there is no use for. Just like the Win short mags. Glad I didn’t buy one of those. If they were gonna make a straight wall for deer hunters figure out a cartridge that gives me more range.

Mike SC Hunter · Feb 13, 2023

ggibson511960 said:
.25-06 Remington and, drum roll, .44 Remington Magnum. Easy to forget that Remington legitimized wildcat ctg or developed these two as their names have become generic.

And the 7mm-08...........Lots of their inovation cartridges out there......If you look........Like the famous 35 REM.

biku324 · Feb 13, 2023

And the unquestioned best big game cartridge in North America - the 35 Whelen.

Mike SC Hunter · Feb 13, 2023

As far as all these short weak new northern deer cartridges....I ain't gonna buy or use any of them.

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