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I have been playing with the 38-55 lately. An ancient cartridge that is very accurate and a proven hunting round with mild recoil. There is a place for these types of cartridges but it is not a real big place. The 360 is a niche cartridge and if it and Henry are not able to pull off the Creedmore hype miracle then it will most likely be MIA in a few short years. The 38-55 sticks around due to thousands of old rifles for it, some fewer new rifles and cowboy shooting interests. For an old traditional guy like me it lets me lob cast bullets with less recoil and expense than in my 45/70 rifles.

I do not know all of them, but Ohio is one, for deer hunting. For many years Ohio allowed only shotgun slugs. Not too long ago, they changed the regs to allow nearly any rifle using any cartridge having a non-bottlenecked case, .38 Special or larger, up to .50-110. There is a list of approved cartridges. An opportunity to take a long shot at deer in Ohio is uncommon. Why the change? I am not sure. The reason why Ohio allowed slugs only for deer hunting in the past was to limit extreme ranges in populated areas. I have no idea what the extreme range of a .50-110 is, but likely a lot further than a 12 gauge slug.

Okay, maybe I missed something on one of your previous posts. I thought you said that the 30-30 was not allowed is some states. What you posted was that straight walled cartridges are now allowed in some states that weren't previously.

If the 30-30 is allowed in all 50 for hunting then it leads me back to my original point, the 360 is saying that it is comparable to the 30-30 leads me to the point that why? Do we really need the 360 or is it a new boutique cartridge that will fade with time.

The 30/30 is not allowed in Iowa for deer hunting. It is not considered a straight wall cartridge.

"I bet a few guys will never even put a round of jacketed or factory ammo through theirs! Just buy a new set of dies, reform some 30-30 brass, and rummage through your mold collection to find a nice .358" cast bullet in the 180-225 gr range." 6string, you have one of those guys waiting for the right chance to buy one of those guns, preferably a CVA Scout if they make one. Hoping the twist rate is tight enough to use this mold from Accurate. I have been contemplating a 35/30-30 for a while but it would have to be a rebore and custom dies so the 360 would be more cost effective for me IF...I can use this bunch of 30-30 brass I have.

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It appears I have to correct my self. I haven't hunted last few years so haven't kept up. Iowa hunting regulations now say bottle neck cartridges.35 caliber and above allowed like 35 Whelen , 358 Win., And 444 Marlin.

I did notice that the "New" 360 case was 1.8" long and the 200gr did 2,200fps.

Please not that the old Winchester .375, 200gr Ammo case was 2.02" long,
that was discontinued in the 1990's and also did a real 2,200fps.

I am wondering if the 360 ammo might work in the old 375, since ammo is hard to find and high in cost?

The 30/30 is not allowed in some large deer hunting states, as noted above. Those states previously didn’t allow any rifles, only shotguns. Those states now also allow straight-walled rifle cartridges. No 30/30s. Hence these new cartridges.

Iowa, for example:

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So what I am getting is that the 30-30 is too powerful for those states. From what I am gathering is that they don't trust hunters with powerful cartridges because they are not careful to make sure of their target and what is beyond?!?!?! Sounds like a hunter safety course issue.

It still doesn't justify the 360 in anyway. As for the list you have presented above, there are a plethora of "Straight Walled" cartridges. Some of them I might say, are more powerful than the 30-30 especially if they are in a carbine format. I have a 14' 460 Mag that I could easily take out to 300 yards. I am not sure why those states are so ignorant of hunting rounds.

I know that, and you know that, then you throw in bureaucrats, lawmakers, and special interest groups,mix well.

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I'm not sure what all the gnashing of teeth is about. 9x45 (360 BHMR) is just another commercial venture for a firearms/ammo company not unlike the 357 Sig which was a Sig /Federal arrangement. That more or less died but not before they sold a boat load of pistols and ammo to LE agencies. It was marketed very well.

My take on it is it will make some hunters and loaders happy. As was addressed it's going to be an easy build for someone with available components like bullets and brass they might already have. They won't have to pay 0.75/rd for the ammo which may be hard to find in 5 years. I think I read that dies are available. If they aren't they will be soon.

If Marlin builds a lever for it, I'll give it better than 50/50 chances of being around in 5 years. Especially if a few more states restrict the AR. There's some legislation afoot to do that this year in my state.

Heck, if Marlin, I mean Ruger, builds a rifle I might just buy one.

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