Inexpensive Big Bore Caliber

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Is there such a thing as a caliber used for big game that is in the .308 Winchester price range? I'm talking about calibers larger than .458 Lott.

I don't feel like spending $200 for a box of 20 rounds!

Thanks.
 
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Factory-12 gauge slugs, or out of a rifled barrel as a sabot bullet.
As a reloader-Any caliber load you like would be do-able at less than a $1.00 a round.
 
I can't think of any big bore ammo (458cal and up) that can be purchased in the under $50/box 20rds area. Even 50BMG ammo is more expensive than that I believe.

Reloading is the only option short of a good friend that reloads the caliber and gives/sells the ammo.

The big bores are not cheap to get started in nor cheap to feed compared to run of the mill 30's and 270's. Reloading dies for some of the big bores can get spendy,,often in the $150 to $200 range. The more exotic, the more expensive. Even the shell holders for some of the odd ones are 'special order' sizes. The really large rounds need a reloading press that can handle the oal cartridge length of these as they are often quite a bit longer than the standards more often seen and loaded.

I priced a set of 450 Rigby Magnum dies....right around $200. Then I lucked into a new/unused set for $50. So there are still deals around.

The big rounds eat alot of powder each shot and commercial bullets are ExpensivE. Normally sold in boxes of 50 or even 25 in the larger sizes to dampen the sticker shock. The 45calibers are still the cheapest of the big bores to load of course in terms of powder, bullet and brass costs.

I do with out dies for reloading for .500 x 3" express in a double rifle using a makeshift arrangement to crimp the bullets. Works fine for that application. Magazine rifles are usually a different story though.

All that said,,nothing quite like them for a range session. With full loads, you don't tend to shoot quite as much each time out so perhaps the cost ends up about the same as the smaller stuff..
 
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Thanks for the feedback; I'll probably just take the suggestion of buying a rifled barrel and fire sabots.
 
There's the 45-70 and the .450 Marlin. Don't know what you intend to shoot though. The Alaska Fish & Game Department issues Marlin 1895s in .45-70 to their folks in bear country.

If you're looking in the REALLY big department and want low ammunition cost, the blackpowder rifles used in Africa way back when were 8 bore to 4 bore. You'll be pretty much on your own for slugs though.

If you want to play the role, you'll have to pay the piper. The cost of .470 NE ammo was why Winchester developed the .458 Winchester back in the 1950's.
 
Speaking of 45-70....I was looking at Magnum Research's revolvers; they have one in 45-70.

Do you all think its too much for a handgun?
 
A 45/70 Marlin lever will do the job. I used to load it up with 405gr. Rem bullets to 1900fps. Absolutely hurt to shoot. Brian Pearce used one in Africa recently to shoot a Cape Buff. He was using specialty hard cast bullets from Garrett I believe, he shot one bullet through two Buffs that were perfectly in line. Article is in "Rifle" I believe, last 2-3 yrs. It is an inexpensive, not cheap, way to get in the game. A fantastic gun/ammo comb. Beaver.
 
Sorry for the fractured train of thought. I just traded a CZ 416 Rigby for a SW Pistol. I bought the gun for under $700 new at Nosler's in Bend,Or. The dies were Lyman and not bad, well under $50. The brass is not hard to find, bullets are around, powder was easy. You can become the next Harry Selby for under $1200 or so, maybe less.
 
Folterung,
Like several have said the 45-70 can be loaded either up or down (read that to mean deer to buff's). It is not too pricey to reload in any configuration. The 12 guage slug will work out to about 125 yards accuracy wise but falls off sharply after that. Good luck hope this was of some help.
Oliver507
 
I too am a huge fan of the .45-70. My 1895GS can shoot everything from a single .457" round ball to 500+ gr. bullets. It also works well with pistol bullets weighing from 200 to 260 grs., sized .452" or .454". A particularly good load for me is a 460 gr. LBT bullet at 1800 FPS. You can't beat this cartridge for versatility.

I have attempted to cast and load my own 12 gauge slugs (mostly for USPSA multigun competition) and have failed miserably. I can not put together any load that will give me A Zone accuracy at 50 yards with a smoothbore and ghost ring sights.

Dave Sinko
 
Thanks for the feedback. I just saw a Marlin 1895 at Dick's Sporting Goods...not a bad price for something of that caliber.

I have heard the 45-70 has a very steep trajectory, is this true in you all's experience?
 
Folterung,
Like several have said the 45-70 can be loaded either up or down (read that to mean deer to buff's). It is not too pricey to reload in any configuration. The 12 guage slug will work out to about 125 yards accuracy wise but falls off sharply after that. Good luck hope this was of some help.
Oliver507


The traditional foster type slugs are not long range loads. But the sabot loads in a quality rifled shotgun barrel are very accurate at long distance.

I set up a shotty for a fellow that wanted to be able to hit out to 300 yds with a shotgun slug. He was going to one of those high dollar hunts in an area that was shotgun only.

Using a factory rifled barrel with cantilevered scope mount and a Leupold 50mm scope, we can reliably make 6" groups at 300 yds. We tried 12 different loadings before we found a round that would do this. The ammo bill for this was over 250 bucks.

The gun is a 3" magnum, and it is putting a 365 gr slug out at 2000fps. It is quite impressive when it makes contact.

Changing to a different load considerably opens up the group. Just taking the barrel off and reinstalling it causes an impact shift of over 6" @ 100 yds, but it returns right back to zero after 2 shots.
 
Think black powder. The bullet on the left is a .72 caliber I cast from a custom mold for my Pedersoil Express Rifle. Weight is almost 1.5 oz. Backed by 120 grains of FF Goex it will put down anything on two or four legs on the continent.
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"I have heard the 45-70 has a very steep trajectory, is this true in you all's experience?"


Midrange trajectory of a 500 grain 45-70 with black powder is 127 feet for 1000 yard target.

That ain't too bad!!!:rolleyes::D
 
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