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CCI Pistol Shot Loads
Does anyone have any experiance with this stuff?CCI makes these cute little shot loads with tiny little shot inside;suppost to be for varmits like snakes and such.I dunno how well they would work in a barrel with a twist;seems like they would work better in a smooth barrel.
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They're good for pests at 10-15 feet.
An unrifled , smoothbore pistol is highly illegal per GCA '37 or '68.
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The .38 Special and larger sizes work pretty well, the .22LR are a little on the weak side, other than for hornets. The shorter the barrel the better, as per actual tests I have done. Less rifling creates less pattern spin. That is why Remington used to make bolt action .22 rifles with no rifling, for shooting rats in barns, etc.
Beware of the backstop when you shoot, they can ricochet straight back at you, even when hitting wood. There are also some other brands out there also, but they can be hard to find.
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Yes I have used them. As others have posted
10 to 15 ft.range is about the limit. Don
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A smoothbore pistol would have to be registered as an AOW - $5 transfer tax or $200 making of tax - but would not be illegal per se if registered and legal under state law.
Anyway, I used to use the .22LR shotshells in a 317 to shoot mice. My then g/f hated the way that they squealed when in the glue traps. Worked well enough for that purpose.
For snakes or some such... well I have some of them in .38, but I'd rather have a Bond Arms Derringer or some such in .410 for such matters honestly.
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I've shot 3 timber rattle snakes, about 4' long with my 625-9 Mountain gun in 45 colt using the CCI shot loads. From 4-6 feet away, its like hitting them in the head with a golf club.
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I have extensive experience with both the .38 Special shot caps for reloading and with CCI's loaded shotshells. Most recently, and in most volume, I've used .45 ACP and .22 lr shot loads. I've killed over 15 pack rats with the .45s, and a couple more with the .22s, from a Model 63. I've also used the 63 to shoot sparrows and starlings that have gotten into my barn, without risk of damaging the sheet metal, though I did break one light bulb. Several years ago, a big, apparently rabid tomcat holed up in the corner of my barn. I didn't want him to escape, or to fight with my dog or cats. As I approached him with my Commander, loaded with the CCI .45 shotshells, he was on top of a stack of boxes about 3 feet tall, and he rose up and started snarling, hissing and spitting. When I shot him the first time, he jumped at me, and I shot him twice more in the air. He was dead when he he hit the floor, but was only about 4-5 feet from me when I fired the last shot. He'd have weighed close to 20 lbs., and I sure don't recommend using these loads on critters that big.
I used to use a lot of the reloaded .38 capsules, but had problems a couple of times with the caps not breaking up when fired. They worked well when they did break up. I like the factory loaded ones better. As to how far they are effective, it depends on what you're shooting. I've killed pack rats up to about 30 feet away with the .45s, and sparrows on the wing at up to about 25 feet, but patterns are getting pretty thin by then, and closer is better. BTW, the .45s have functioned in at least 3 of my 1911-types.
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A smoothbore pistol would have to be registered as an AOW - $5 transfer tax or $200 making of tax - but would not be illegal per se if registered and legal under state law.
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Remington , Winchester and Marlin all made pump or leverguns in 44-40 smoothbore for use with shot loads.
Colt even made a few smoothbore SAAs in 44-40.
Winchester , Western , Remington , Peters and the US Cartridge Co. all made 44-40 (and other cals) shot cartridges. They're shown in Barnes Cartridges of the World.
The Marbles Game Getter and H&R Handi-Rifle were short barreled 'smoothbore pistols' with detachable stocks and barrels in various lengths. These are also considered 'Any Other Weapon' and also have C&R status. They require the NFA $200 transfer tax and registration.
These short barreled , pistol caliber smoothbores were quite popular with trappers back around the turn of the 20th century.
Thompson Center made a version of their Contender for use with shot cartridges. They had a removable 'choke'(?) that countered the spin imparted by the rifling. They also made extra capacity shot cartridges in .357 and .44 mag.
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They've worked great for me. I use the .38 SP shotshells in a old Ruger with a 4" barrel and my 686 with a 6" barrel. I use them to kill snakes. Haven't used them on anything else. Shots have been between 5 to 10 ft. I patterned one out of my 686 at about 5 -7 yards one time. It wasn't a pretty pattern.
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I've never understood why the makers of those 45 Colt/410 derringers didn't simply put shallow, straight rifling in the barrels. Doing so would make them legal, probably be cheaper than spiral rifling, would not effect the performance of the 45 Colt and would improve the performance of the 410.
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I don't mean to hijack the thread, but why would smooth bore pistols be outlawed?
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I don't mean to hijack the thread, but why would smooth bore pistols be outlawed?
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Same reason that buzzguns, switchblade knives, short-barrel shotguns and rifles, etc. were "outlawed" in 1934: To give jobs to Treasury agents who were put out of work by the repeal of Prohibition.
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I use my .38 shot reloads mostly to kill skunks that are stumbling around in broad daylight and make people nervous. I need to get real close but the sick skunks don't seem to mind. I never had to shoot one twice and I sometimes shoot them in urban areas with no property damage whatsoever.
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I carry two CCI .38 Special shotshells and three or four ( J frame or K frame) Speer .38 Special Gold Dot 125 grain +P while working around my ranch. The shotshells work great on snakes and small varmits (mice, rats) and I have the GDs for larger varmits, including two legged ones.
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I carry two CCI .38 Special shotshells and three or four ( J frame or K frame) Speer .38 Special Gold Dot 125 grain +P while working around my ranch.
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Me too, but you have to be careful with that. Twice when shooting the regular rounds in my M60 recoil has caused the plastic cups of rat shot to move forward, causing the cylinder not to turn. I now put a small drop of super glue at the base of each plastic cup.
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I have had .45 Colt shotshells pull out when shooting 255 grain LRN rounds from a 625 Mountain Gun, but I haven't had a problem with .38 Specials. Thanks for the superglue idea; I'll try it tonight.
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I don't mean to hijack the thread, but why would smooth bore pistols be outlawed?
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Even back as far as 1937 , the ballistic experts put great stock in being able to identify a bullet to its firearn by 'reading' the unique rifling marks.
Beside , unrifled pistols or rifles are not very accurate. Much like the unrifled muskets of the 1700s.
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I've never understood why the makers of those 45 Colt/410 derringers didn't simply put shallow, straight rifling in the barrels. Doing so would make them legal, probably be cheaper than spiral rifling, would not effect the performance of the 45 Colt and would improve the performance of the 410.
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Straight rifling would add zero stability or accuracy. Remember the football comparison. A nice tight spiralling pass will be much more accurate and travel much furtehr than a pass with no spin. That's why different calibers have different rates of twist. Each optimised to a certain (ength x dia) ballistic coeffcient. Longer bullets need faster twist (ex. 1 turn-9.5") than shorter bullets , which need less (1 turn-15").
A muzzle loading rifle meant for patched round balls typically uses a 1 turn in 66 or 72 in twist , yet a barrel meant for Minie , Maxie , or sabotted pistol bullets will have 1 turn in 36 or 48 inches.
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I have no varmints or other critters where I live now, but as a kid I spent a lot of time on my uncle's ranch in Eastern Washington. Lots of rattlers around, so I always carried a .38 loaded with shotshells.
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Ok. Stupid question time.
Is the CCI shotshell coming out of a 2 inch .38 Special revolver as loud as a standard 130gr FMJ load?
I know, I know...stupid question, but I gotta know. I've got a gopher tearing up my yard and it's snake season again, and I live in the city limits. I've already had one visit from the local P&D and I don't think it will be such a nice visit the next time I discharge a firearm in the city limits.
However...if it's "quiet" enough, I might be ok.
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Been almost 40 years since I shot any, and I don't honestly remember how loud it was.
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Ok. Stupid question time.
Is the CCI shotshell coming out of a 2 inch .38 Special revolver as loud as a standard 130gr FMJ load?
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That's not a stupid question at all. It is a different kind of loud, very piercing is the best way I can describe it. I shoot a fairly large number of them at rats, mice, and other undesirable critters, and never have ear protection at those moments. They do hurt my ears. I think it is a sharper sound than regular hard ball.
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Straight rifling would add zero stability or accuracy. Remember the football comparison. A nice tight spiralling pass will be much more accurate and travel much furtehr than a pass with no spin. That's why different calibers have different rates of twist. Each optimised to a certain (ength x dia) ballistic coeffcient. Longer bullets need faster twist (ex. 1 turn-9.5") than shorter bullets , which need less (1 turn-15").
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I did not say straight rifling would add to the stability or accuracy of the 45 Colt, I said it would not effect the accuracy. Over the years I've owned at least a half dozen of those 45 Colt/410 derringers. Given the short barrel, crude sights, stiff triggers and poor grips that these firearms typically have I do not think you would notice one bit of difference if those barrels were rifled with a spiral, straight rifled or even smooth bored, when firing 45 Colt loads. Actually I once owned a brace of Belgian percussion screw barrel derringers that were smooth bore. Out to 20' they shot amazingly well.
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That's not a stupid question at all. It is a different kind of loud, very piercing is the best way I can describe it. I shoot a fairly large number of them at rats, mice, and other undesirable critters, and never have ear protection at those moments. They do hurt my ears. I think it is a sharper sound than regular hard ball.
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So they're obviously too loud for city limits use, huh?
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Is the CCI shotshell coming out of a 2 inch .38 Special revolver as loud as a standard 130gr FMJ load?
I usually end up shooting 5 or 6 shotshell rounds per year. I normally have a set of hearing protectors around the barn for the chainsaw, tractor, etc., and will put them on before I shoot, if there is time. I can't recall that there is any great difference between the noise of shotshells and standard ammunition.
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Is the CCI shotshell coming out of a 2 inch .38 Special revolver as loud as a standard 130gr FMJ load?
I usually end up shooting 5 or 6 shotshell rounds per year. I normally have a set of hearing protectors around the barn for the chainsaw, tractor, etc., and will put them on before I shoot, if there is time. I can't recall that there is any great difference between the noise of shotshells and standard ammunition.
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Oh I'm not worried about my noise level being disturbed, it's the local cops that I'm worried about.
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So they're obviously too loud for city limits use, huh?
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Yes, if you are trying to operate surreptitiously, it will definitely give you away.
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Sorry I wasn't clear enough, but there is no discernable difference between the noise of a shotshell being fired and a regular round of ammunition being fired. If a regular round is too loud for your surroundings, then a shotshell would be too loud.
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I reloaded some with 8 or 9 shot and fired them out of my GP100, all I can say is you better be close to get many pellets on a target.
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I have killed many rattlesnakes and copperheads with the CCI snakeshot from a 2 in. J frame.... they work very well out to around 10 feet or so. I also load #8 shot in CCI capsules over 5.2 gr Unique, 1.50" overall length....works great on snakes and rats.
For the poster who is concerned about noise .... I might suggest the CCI CB 22 rounds fired from a 22 rifle ... actually quieter than a pellet gun, and will easily dispatch a gopher. If it's the snakes you're after, then yeah, the shot capsules are too loud for where you would be using them.
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#1 to what Smith57 said.
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Wheen Speer capsules first became avialable I bought them and loaded my own.
Later when Speer shotshells became avialable factory loaded I bought them.
I have used them in 9mm, 38 Special 45 ACP and 44 Mag.
I have killed small game and snakes with all of them.
Since I prefer the 45 ACP and the 44 Mag I have used more Speer shotshells in those calibres.
The wife and I have killed a LOT of snakes and small game with them.
It has never taken more than 2 rounds to kill even BIG water moccossin, or rattlers...
We have also killed several rabbits, squirrels, quail, grouse, and I killed ptarmargin [sp] with them as well.
I killed a Texas porcipine [sp] with one in a 9mm. I have it mounted lifesize...
We find them MOST useful, I never go on a trip without them. I have even killed snakes with them in Zimbabwe in a 44 Mag.
They work GREAT.
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I was looking up shot capsules to reload and came across this. Has any tried this with any success?
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I would be concerned with the front wad comming out of the case if I fired full power ammo in the revolver.
Back before Speer Shot Capsules were avialable many people used gas checks as the wads. A hard crimp would hold the gas check in place.
However with the Speer Capsules you use a lot more shot.
I have gotton lazy... as I just buy the Factory Speer Shotshells.
I have been using them for years, they work great.
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I just loaded up ten rounds and sealed the top of them with wax. I'll give them a try tomorow after work.
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I've used the loaded 22 Mag, 9mm and 45 ACP shotshells only on paper. However, in .38/.357 and .44SPL/44Mag I reload those. I keep them loaded in SPL cases to keep interchangability.
I keep the .38 loaded with two roads of shot followed by 158 LSWC when fishing or working brush. Will dispatch snakes at 6-8 feet. Now, I also have one of those 10" T/C Contender barrels with the choke. It will keep a 6" pattern at 25'. My .38s are loaded with #7.5 shot.
My .44 SPLs are loaded with #6 shot and have about the same range as the .38s but carry about the same number of shot but larger. I also use Unique in both loads. I do have quite a few copperheads on my property that have met their end. I do need to get some gas checks to load up some shotshells in .41 mag.
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I fired one round of CCI 45ACP from my 325NG, it caused it to bind up.
They work fine in a 1911
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They work great in my 1911 and the lock up my Night Guard as well.
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I recently bought some more .357 shot capsules and load them in the 9mm for my 940. It works fine even though the exposed part of the shot capsule is longer than the 9mm case. But I doubt the semiauto exists that will chamber and fire this load.
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