Here's the scoop getting you LTC in Texas.

[the ringo kid]

First off, for Dave and anothers misdemeanor, yes that person can get a LTC, but the instructor believes she has to wait 5 years before applying-from date of the down grade.

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OK, unless I misheard something? here goes it on what you have to do/learn, to get you LTC. Some of this stuff is--at least on the test I took, so not sure if others around the State will have diff questions. I had no time for writing down any questions-and most answers are common sense.

First here-to pass the written, you have to get a 72. I missed one out of 25 questions and only because I accidentally circled B instead of C on question Nr. 2. The shooting. Perfect is 250, I scored a 253... Targets at 3,7 and 10 yards 20,20 and 10 rounds respectively.

You cant OC everywhere and not concealed means intentionally displaying the weapon. I think thats partially moot-EXCEPT if say, in a grocery store and you whip out the weapon to show it off-kinda thing. Dirty minds need to concentrate.

There are sometimes huge differences in words.
Premises == a building or partial building. It is NOT a parking lot, sidewalk.

A Long gun, is NOT a weapon by Texas definition-its a firearm only.

On knives. a blade is ONLY illegal if over 5 & 1/2 inches. There are no more knife orndances in Corpus and StaTE you CAN CARRY, SWITHBLADES, SPRING-LOADED, GRAVITY KNIVES ETC.

Conditions of gun in car w/o permit: It has to be concealed, person not a gang-banger/other criminal type, or going to comitt or coming from committing crimes. The instructors words-not mine. The instructor we had, has dome these classes since 1990? and is a Police Officer.

I dont have time to post many notes but will try to add all of them on Sunday--in this first post.

CONTINUED FROM YESTERDAY.




Where weapons not prohibited.

Cannot carry on Postal prroperty including parking lot. UNLESS YOU GET PERMISSION, you cannot carry at: Any Courtroom, Private or Public Schools, Hospitals, Churches or other places of wworship, Amusement PARKS, ---BUT A SIGN HAS TO BE POSTED. The same with any private business--and the notice can also be verbal. Cant carry when voting at voting locations-is going on-or any secure area in an airport. If a building has a 51% sign-like a bar and such-you cant carry. Cant carry in any ganbling establishment either.

07 sign menas-you can carry-but not openly. 06 sign menas-no guns period.

CANT HAVE AN A,B, or C, misdemeaner in the past 5 years. I think I was a bit misleading way above? Class C==$500 or below.

You cant carry-no matter where your drinking-or (rolling eyes) doing drugs-legal or illegal.

Use good judgement if you HAVE to shoot?
You cant intentionally display--such as showing off your piece to someone else at things like sporting events (in or outdoors)-parades.

You CANT get a LTC if permanently incapacitated mental faculties--I.e-insane or with duel personality--Schizoid (sinse I cant spell the full word properly)

Intoxication==taking drugs or alcohol.

You violated the law if you intentionally enter a place with your gun if you have seen any notice posted or were verbally told about it-and still enter. Property includes parking lot of a business who doesnt allow weapons to be caried. You CANNOT be armed in a company, company vehicle--unless company allows employee to carry. Cannot be armed if you work at a school that doesnt allow it, or vehicle--as well as at Private landowners, chemical plants refineries. SOME of the listed-do allow carry but just depends. The strictest school or system on carry-is of course--u.t-Austin.

Requirements to displat Licence:
If asked for I.D. by an authority figure like: City Mayor--Law Enforecment types, Judges, ou HAVE to show it.

CHL laws book is located on the DPS website. Handgun licensing section.

USE OF FORCE LAWS:

I wasnt able to write fast enough to get everything, but here are some things.
Deadly Force==bad guy badly wounded or dead.

Serious Bodily Injury--could cause death but doesnt.

Three things that cause legal justification if you have to pull a gun and or shoot the person of interest:
1) Does bad guy have the MEANS to cause you fear, harm and injury or death?
2) Is the creep INTENT on causing you loss of property? harm injury or death?
3) Does the creep have the OPPORTUNITY to cause you harm or injury or death?
If the answer is yes-your justiufied but to a point. That means, say of you are on the other side of a barrier-then the creep is? no-you cant pull gun out and shoot, but if no barrier between you two--yea-you can.

The person you use your gun against is teh person who is intent on doing you (and any family member) harm or your in fear for your (and their) life/ves.

It CAN also cover you when concerning a neighbor, or others nearby-but then, your possibly also sticking your head in a noose-so use the best judgement you can....................

Beware, IF you fire your gun? and hit a bystander--you are NOT covered. You are responsible for whatever the bullet hits-person or property-cept for the bad guy. You CAN also use your gun to prevent a kidnapping, robbery, assault, iminent danger, BUT still have to use your best judgement. You can use it to preventr theft of (I THINK only your property) if and on your property.

Theft is defined in (Texas) as: Depriving someone of their property--I.e.-if a bad guy, transient etc come up and says they want your wallet etc-you can in the least-have your gun trained on them.

In Texas-Robbery is defined as: Someone threatenting (Intent) on robbing you.

In the bg tries or does rob anyone 65 and over.
Assault==Touching someone or someone touching you.

NOT JUSTIFIED FORCE:

You CANT use force if someone gives you the middle finger or says you lick clean muddy boots.

Assault can be a felony--which is why you better use your best judgement in any situation.

Your LTC IS GOOD AND EXPIRES ON THE EXACT DAY OF YOUR BIRTHDAY 4 YEARS AFTER ISSUE. That means ir your birthday is July 20 (or) Robert E. Lee's birthday, that on THAT date-your license is expired--not on Jan 31st.

DPS site: www.dps.texas.org

STAND YOUR GROUND: Three conditions:
1) IF ITS LEGAL TO CARRY WHERE YOUR AT?
2) You CANT provoke an incident.
3) If you commit a crime.

Habitation as defined by Texas as--WHERE YOU SLEEP. Be it, in a car, your place of residence, tool shed-your vehicle or business of employment.
Deadly force is justified without the requirement of retreat.

DEFENCE OF OTHERS:

Your obligated to protect your family.

DEADLY FORCE IS NOT JUSTIFIED if someone is tresspassing or refuses to leave. I guess they expect you to call for a LEO to solve that situation? but im guessing you CAN at least hold them at gun point?? The instructor sometimes went faster than I could scribble chickenscratch.

If someone is trying or does steal from you? -the property HAS TO BE RECOVERABLE-such as livesock, not cars, guns etc.

DEADLY FORCE IS JUSTIFIED AND CAN ALSO BE USED IN:

Preventing the escape ON YOUR PROPERTY of thief.
BURGLARY, ROBBERY, or CRIMINAL MISCHIEF (like) someone toilet-papering your home--the owner can shoot you--but HAS TO BE AT NIGHT. Daylight means you have better vision of thinks and you cant shoot a teen for wrapping your home in toilet-paper.

You can also use DEADLY FORCE to: prevent someone from looting your home or business.

It's burglary when a part of someone crosses into or onto YOUR property-such as breaking a window of any of your structures-and entering it-hand or baseball bat-reaching or getting into your home, car etc.

USE WHATEVER FORCE IS NECESSARY TO STOP THE INCIDENT. If you shoot a person and he stops or surrenders? you cant keep pumping lead into him.

You shoot a person who threatened you and are justified? You can still have gun in hand. THE PERSON WHO CALLS 911 FIRST-IS THE VICTIM..........................

What to sat to 911 if a person is hust: NEED AN AMBULANCE-someone is hurt. The less info-the better since your recorded and it can and will be used against you. Reason for little info-=you may remember of forget details of what happened and it will look like your changing your story of what happened. Makes sense to me.

Police arrive-point to attacker and say I WANT TO FILE A COMPLAINT ON HIM. theen point out any witnesses-and the attackers weapons if any?

Interview is over when you say: I want to talk to my lawyer.

More on use of deadly force:
Do NOT be at fault, you HAVE to be in immedient danger of bodily injury or death. You CANT accidentally harm an innocent bystander.

Some rules to go by:

1) DONT point your gun at anything you dont want to destroy.
2) Always keep finger off trigger until ready to shoot. Like the instructor we had, I keep mine outside the trigger guard.
3) KNOW YOUR TARGET AND WHATS BEYOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4) Treat all guns as if loaded.

Its been mentioned here but itll be mentioned again on approx how many rounds must be fired when breaking in a new gun. 500 minimum. Like many here-the instructor loves 1911s and detests glocks. He stated some reasons for his hatred of glocks and ill not repeat.

OPEN CARRY:

Gun HAS to be in a belt or shoulder holster. It CANNOT be carried in an ankle holster-fanny packs were not mentioned and I didnt think to ask. The holster has to be secure.

SITUATIONAL AWARENESS is a must-and has been gone over in many threads here. But-PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR SURROUNDINGS. If in an a place with loads of folks--pay the most attention to around a 30 foot radius.

This instructor liked to use a 3 color set of conditions-like a traffic light.
RED = threat to deal with.
YELLOW = Aware and prepare.
GREEN = You are not prepared-as with most folks.

A few things to know if a possible threat:
Listen-and eye contact as well as say-fisting and making threatening motions with hands.

The instructor mentioned an author and a great book to read-on reading peoples body language. Games People Play by: Eric Burn. Name might not be spelled correctly....

Three types of mindset:
Parent.
Adult.
Child.
Parent is the authority figure--teacher etc. Meaning on how to treat people. You dont want to treat an adult as a child kinda thing. That'd probably tick anyone off.
Aduklt=reason, logic, is Polite and Courteous.
Child==Quick to anger, reactive, compliant (as the case may be"?).
In a conflict situation-be the adult. Dont TELL them what to do-SUGGEST some kind of problem solving.

HIDING A GUN IS NOT SECURING IT. A secure gun (but and useless if immediately needed?) is one with a trigger lock, in a safe etc.

Stressed education about the firearm-which I think us here do.

READILY DISCHARGEABLE: == Loaded gun-doesnt say that a round has to be in chamber. But then we knew that already.

A child is defined by Texas-countrywide-as under the age of 17, as an adult at 17++ Child can have a readily dischargable weapon as long as with someone 18 and older.

The fee to State is $140, but some like vets, LEOs etc-have certain kinds of discounts. For me, I think my state fee is $25, SOME vets will still have to pay a similar fee-but I forget why?

Anyway, I know some stuff is out of continuity-but I wrote info as it was presented. Some of the fault for this, is because some in the class were constantly making him go from one subject to another due to not "listening" etc.

The instructor mentioned NOT to take advice from forums-which I partly agree. His reasoning is someone may say they are a LEO, etc. But I think most of us here knows most por all are legit. I did mention this site for others to try a look see-and see if its for them or not?

[da gimp]

It used to be illegal to have any locking pocketknife in San Antonio, has this been pre-empted? Good to see you out... Tell your lady hey.

[lrrifleman]

Glad to see that you made it through the test, congratulations.

Hope you and your lady friend are doing well.

[jdh]

5 years from the final court appearance (which means when the judge releases you from probation), or so our instructor said.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by da gimp

It used to be illegal to have any locking pocketknife in San Antonio, has this been pre-empted? Good to see you out... Tell your lady hey.

Dang it, I was almost through with a great reply but, my fat finger hit the off button.

According to my instructor, there are no longer any laws on what blade you can carry-be it, switchblade, spring-loaded whatever-as long as the blade is no longer than 5 & 1/2 inches. Bowie knives (aka) Texas Toothpick, Arkansas Toothpick, whatever toothpick, cant be carried for obvious reasons. You can own whatever type bladed weapon you want to won-be it sword-whatever. You can even play with your sword in your car, house, trailer, barn, haystack, whatever as long as its in or on your property. Anyway, there are no more knife laws in Texas except those with larger then 5 & 1/2 nches.

I forgot, City laws cannot trump State laws although you might find a LEO somewhere who isnt hip to current laws.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by lrrifleman

Glad to see that you made it through the test, congratulations.

Hope you and your lady friend are doing well.

Thank you. We had a large class of 21, its usually about 9. I guess current events are making more and more come out to get their LTC.

Ill mention everything to Sabrina tonight, and her roommate has a printed-so the thread on her and this one-will be printed for her to read.

For me, the test was super easy. The onlky thing that can get mildly confusing-were questions that pertained to certain statutes-because of all the numbers and letters associated with it. I had some trouble on question 2 and 23. I accidentally circled the wrong one on 2-so missed it. Most were either just easy to answer-or common sense.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by jdh

5 years from the final court appearance (which means when the judge releases you from probation), or so our instructor said.

That sounds correct even though our instructor said it differently. Also, important, if you have ever been arrested-even for simplar things like--not paying your traffic tickets-and such-you HAVE to notify the state of it or those.

[the ringo kid]

BUMP FOR FINISHED PRODUCT

[the ringo kid]

Forgot to mention a few very important things.

The instructor--who has been a Cop and an NRA Firearms and LTC instructor for decades said:

1 gun = 0--2 guns = 1. See if you get the meaning? I did have always thought about this when I get my LTC and what I want to carry?

He said and stressed: DONT USE RELOADS as the choice of ammo to have in your carry gun. Too many possibilities to explain, but I know yall can figger it out.

He uses Hornady Defense ammo. I will be soon as I can order a Case from Buds--who now has a great price on them.

In case you cant figger the guns thing out=this means (and will go against many peoples lines of thought here) CARRY MORE THAN ONE GUN. Im thinking of carrying both my 1911s. Who cares what others think-if they think you ""Josey Walesing"" it and "showing off." You cant replace your 16 year old daughter like you can-a gun or other.

Two is better than one. If a guy tries grabbing one (exact words he used: "shoot him with the other."

[Calaveras Slim]

January of 2015, while the open carry debate was going on, several people in the debate mentioned that there was a change on the knife law going on, IE to extend the blade length. I am particularity fond of the Kbar. I would like to make it legal.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by Calaveras Slim

January of 2015, while the open carry debate was going on, several people in the debate mentioned that there was a change on the knife law going on, IE to extend the blade length. I am particularity fond of the Kbar. I would like to make it legal.

Same here, I have the one my dad carried in WWII-he got his from a Marine.

[Calaveras Slim]

Originally Posted by the ringo kid

Same here, I have the one my dad carried in WWII-he got his from a Marine.

Same here. My dad was on the USS Blessman when it got bombed, off Okinawa in 1945. He helped treat a number of Marines wounded/killed during the attack. I still have that one. I have picked up several more over the years.

My latest is one from Case. Awesome knife.

[chud333]

And i thought Texas was a favorable state for Guns and carry.
Sounds like a lot of Bravo Sierra on your carry rights and even
more red tape than usual to wade thru.

Here in Indiana...You can apply for a Lifetime permit that allows you
"open or concealed" carry. 75 bucks. Usually takes two weeks to
get it. You do not have to go thru a training course.
Castle Doctrine (Stand your ground law) here.
Long guns and knives not regulated.


Chuck

[jmace57]

Be careful during the shooting part. When I took my class 7 years ago, there were 40 people in the class (with 10-15 normal). More than half the attendees had NEVER shot a gun, much less their own. They were sitting there with the gun in the box, and a box of ammo.

The instructors were having to show these people how to hold a gun...how to load. They had not even the rudiments of gun safety. We others were swept by newbies with their newly loaded guns with their fingers on the trigger. Scary. Not kidding.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by chud333

And i thought Texas was a favorable state for Guns and carry.
Sounds like a lot of Bravo Sierra on your carry rights and even
more red tape than usual to wade thru.

Here in Indiana...You can apply for a Lifetime permit that allows you
"open or concealed" carry. 75 bucks. Usually takes two weeks to
get it. You do not have to go thru a training course.
Castle Doctrine (Stand your ground law) here.
Long guns and knives not regulated.


Chuck

Texas actually is very gun friendly. Above mentions how you can bend or break a law and not get spanked.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by jmace57

Be careful during the shooting part. When I took my class 7 years ago, there were 40 people in the class (with 10-15 normal). More than half the attendees had NEVER shot a gun, much less their own. They were sitting there with the gun in the box, and a box of ammo.

The instructors were having to show these people how to hold a gun...how to load. They had not even the rudiments of gun safety. We others were swept by newbies with their newly loaded guns with their fingers on the trigger. Scary. Not kidding.

The same here. Severall people were firing at targets before the command was given. Two didnt know how to load their magazines, and one was a vet. A couple thought they were Rambo--but found out they werent.

[Longhorn1986]

Originally Posted by chud333

And i thought Texas was a favorable state for Guns and carry.
Sounds like a lot of Bravo Sierra on your carry rights and even
more red tape than usual to wade thru.

Here in Indiana...You can apply for a Lifetime permit that allows you
"open or concealed" carry. 75 bucks. Usually takes two weeks to
get it. You do not have to go thru a training course.
Castle Doctrine (Stand your ground law) here.
Long guns and knives not regulated.


Chuck

Texas is "reasonably" gun friendly, however, our dear trained monkeys up in Austin will never pass up the opportunity to lay on another fee. $75 for a lifetime? Too much money to be made by reupping every few years!

[cowboy4evr]

I loved it in Arizona , NO permits and open carry is perfectly legal .

[ISCS Yoda]

I am not sure that everything being said above is correct but I don't have time to check it all out. I am an LTC instructor but I haven't taught a class lately so it's not fresh in my mind. I do think that such posts should be posted by instructors, and not recent students, but it's an open forum so go ahead.

First, let's talk just knives. It is incorrect to state that that there are no more knife ordinances and then state that "On knives. a blade is ONLY illegal if over 5 & 1/2 inches."

That's a knife ordinance, plain and simple.

A short while back Texas dropped switchblades from the illegal weapons list but there is still such a list:

(I think this is a freely available statutory website but if there is a copyright it's Texas's copyright)
Texas Constitution and Statutes - Home

TEXAS PENAL CODE

TITLE 10. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND MORALS

CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS


Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:

...

(6) "Illegal knife" means a:

(A) knife with a blade over five and one-half inches;

(B) hand instrument designed to cut or stab another by being thrown;

(C) dagger, including but not limited to a dirk, stiletto, and poniard;

(D) bowie knife;

(E) sword; or

(F) spear.

(7) "Knife" means any bladed hand instrument that is capable of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by cutting or stabbing a person with the instrument.

If you can specifically define a dagger, dirk, stiletto, poniard, or bowie knife then you're smarter than everyone else.

Suppose you have a knife that looks like a typical Bowie knife but it has a 3" blade - is it legal or not? The blade is short enough but it's a bowie knife just the same. I wouldn't be overly cocky with that knife in public. Police discretion gets involved - your behavior will decide what that knife is.

When I get it uploaded I will show you another knife that can cause you a problem and it only has a 3" blade.

Let's be careful out there and not jump to legal conclusions we can't maintain.

[ISCS Yoda]

The instructors were having to show these people how to hold a gun...how to load. They had not even the rudiments of gun safety. We others were swept by newbies with their newly loaded guns with their fingers on the trigger. Scary. Not kidding.

I do not allow this when I teach/give a test. If they can't handle a gun and/or actually shoot it they will not be permitted to take the test. This "pass everyone to get the fee" business is going to get someone killed.

[ISCS Yoda]

So, my follow up in re knives.

This knife at this very moment sits in a sheath on my belt - I dressed for Halloween today as the Monster Hunter so I wore a movie monster Hawaiian shirt, blaze orange Beretta vest, and blaze orange Orvis fedora. The knife's sheath shows some under the vest - I didn't think the vest would conceal my EDC so I carried a pocket gun (642) that used to be my EDC.

Anyway, the knife is a custom made Damascus .... what? Is it a skinner or hunter*? Is it a fighting knife? I actually use it at steak restaurants. That's really what I bought it for.

The blade is 3" long so, technically, it's a legal knife.

What do you think it is if I use it defensively and get arrested? Dagger? Dirk? Stiletto? Poniard? Bowie? What will law enforcement say? Just because it's not 6 inches long and has an odd shape instead or a long slim blade do you think the arrest report will say Bowie knife? I do, actually, because that's its best description in a police report, namely, a 3" Bowie - POOF - it's illegal..

Legal is in the eyes of the beholder........

[MikeR90S]

LTC is good for 5 years upon renewal.

[Old TexMex]

Carl, Glad you got your LTC. Best to you and the Lady.

Ankle holsters are legal for concealed carry. They are not legal for open carry. I cannot possibly imagine an "open carry" scenario with an ankle holster or a "fanny pack"....
https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CH...ntholsters.pdf

[XD40inTX]

I agree with ISCS Yoda. Instructional posts like this should be written by instructors, not first-time students working from a sketchy set of notes. I'm not an instructor, just a guy who has held an LTC (formerly CHL) for more than 15 years, but I spotted several errors in the OP.

Even better, a post like that should be written by a lawyer who holds an LTC and practices in the area of personal defense law. As a matter of fact, it's been done:

Books - Texas & U.S. Law Shield Bearaphernalia

Texas Law Shield has five different books available for five states, including TX, OK, CO, FL, and PA. If you live in one of those five states, I highly recommend you make the $10 investment in knowing how to stay legal and out of jail.

No, I don't work for TLS, nor do I get a kickback for pushing their books. I'm just a guy who has been a client of theirs for more than a decade. I've never needed their services, but they're just a phone call away if I do.

[mrchuck]

Here is a "tip" for anyone who is helping a Female get her CHL.
PLEASE do not let her qualify with one of those TINY .380 caliber semi-automatics available out there!!!
Here is why: She will have to shoot a box of 50 rounds, and will end up with cuts on her shooting hand where the slide recoils back with each shot.
That is 50 times!!
That "slide cut is nasty and bleeds aND HURTS, AND TAKES A LONG TIME TO HEAL.
Every woman who takes the course ends up with these cuts.
So,,,, use a much bigger pistol to qualify with.
The PPK pistol size is A-OK, and does NOT cause cuts.
It's the Kel-Tec and Ruger 380 size that does!!!

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by XD40inTX

I agree with ISCS Yoda. Instructional posts like this should be written by instructors, not first-time students working from a sketchy set of notes. I'm not an instructor, just a guy who has held an LTC (formerly CHL) for more than 15 years, but I spotted several errors in the OP.

Even better, a post like that should be written by a lawyer who holds an LTC and practices in the area of personal defense law. As a matter of fact, it's been done:

Books - Texas & U.S. Law Shield Bearaphernalia

Texas Law Shield has five different books available for five states, including TX, OK, CO, FL, and PA. If you live in one of those five states, I highly recommend you make the $10 investment in knowing how to stay legal and out of jail.

No, I don't work for TLS, nor do I get a kickback for pushing their books. I'm just a guy who has been a client of theirs for more than a decade. I've never needed their services, but they're just a phone call away if I do.

I was the only one who took notes, that said-please dont muddy up an informative post-that I posted here for a reason. That reason--EDUCATION.

If the info helps one person here? ive done my job.

[buzzkillbob]

Originally Posted by the ringo kid

OPEN CARRY:

Gun HAS to be in a belt or shoulder holster. It CANNOT be carried in an ankle holster-fanny packs were not mentioned and I didnt think to ask. The holster has to be secure.

I've read this twice and have to ask...how does one open carry with a fanny pack?!?

[GaryS]

You violated the law if you intentionally enter a place with your gun if you have seen any notice posted or were verbally told about it-and still enter

My understanding of the law is that, at least for commercial establishments, the notification has to be written and has to comply exactly with the provisions of 30:06 and 30:07. A verbal notification or non compliant sign is invalid.

A private residence is a different story. At least I would think so.

[kthom]

Never the less, discretion is the better part of valor. If one wishes to avoid problems, if that one is asked (inside any location) to leave if armed, it would seem to be a very wise thing to comply. The law is different in different places concerning this fact, but it seems to me that just because one can do something, even legally, it does not mean that it is wise to do that thing. It's my opinion that one should be as wise and smart as possible. If I am told I am not welcome in a place with my firearm, posted or not, I do not intend to stay there, with or without my weapon. I would expect no less if the business or the home was mine and I was the one asking someone to leave for any reason.

[Whitwabit]

Its interesting the difference's in the different states teaching of their Conceal Carry permit and laws .. and how they go about it ..

In my state of Illinois where I took the permit course at a junior college the whole course was laid out in a booklet several hundred pages long that covered the complete law and pistol gun safety.. Each person in the class received a copy of this booklet .. there were 16 people in the class.. the class is held once ever 16 weeks if there are enough signing up with 10 being the minimum number for the class to be held ..

8 hours was devoted to gun safety and the workings of both an auto and wheel gun .. including field striping and cleaning of the weapon .. then 8 hours on the Conceal Carry Law its self .. also include was going over several possible scenario's that someone might encounter while carrying ..

You received a copy of the law which was gone over page by page .. time for questions was taken anytime someone had a question about what was being covered and explained until all understood or at least said they. The complete course in Illinois takes a full 16 hours over 2 days .. and instructor will not let the class out early .. the day on Illinois Conceal Carry Law actually ran over about 30 minutes .. the course includes shooting at 5/7/10 yards .. 10 rounds at each distance for a total of 30 rounds .. 21 rounds must score on target .. or 70% ..

The booklet has come in hand several times for looking up different points of the law when a question has come up ..

[alexrex20]

And yet Chicago is the crime capital of the USA lol

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[Maddog 521]

Ringo I know this is an old post but I have to ask.

I thought the posted 07 sign means "no open carry"?
The posted 06 sign means "no concealed carry"?

[Old TexMex]

Originally Posted by Maddog 521

Ringo I know this is an old post but I have to ask.

I thought the posted 07 sign means "no open carry"?
The posted 06 sign means "no concealed carry"?

.here you go.....
.TxDPS - License to Carry (LTC) FAQs

[Whitwabit]

Originally Posted by alexrex20

And yet Chicago is the crime capital of the USA lol

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Conceal Carry training in Illinois has nothing to do with the gang crime in any of the city's in Illinois just as it doesn't have anything to do with it in other states either .... Though it may have actually reduced it some as the Perp's now don't know who is armed now legally where before no one was legal so very few were armed ..

[Maddog 521]

30.06 Sign means No Concealed Carry Allowed

30.07 Sign means No Open Carry Allowed. Effective January 1, 2016 Both signs must be posted

I'm confused. So if the 30:06 sign is posted does that rule out both means of carry? Just asking

[buzzkillbob]

Originally Posted by Maddog 521

So if the 30:06 sign is posted does that rule out both means of carry? Just asking

You're overthinking it. Each one only rules out one form of carry. It takes both to rule out carrying a firearm:

30:06-only no CC, OC allowed
30:07-only no OC, CC allowed
30:06 & 30:07 neither OC or CC allowed

IANAL and IANAE...

[GaryS]

And of course a red "51%" sign rules out any form of carry and no other signs are needed.

Originally Posted by buzzkillbob

You're overthinking it. Each one only rules out one form of carry. It takes both to rule out carrying a firearm:

30:06-only no CC, OC allowed
30:07-only no OC, CC allowed
30:06 & 30:07 neither OC or CC allowed

IANAL and IANAE...

[les.b]

Thanks, Ringo!! I haven't been to Texas for awhile, but I believe that my WV Concealed Carry is good there. And I have LEOSA as well, but like to keep my WV and FL carry licenses up as well, in case I run over my certification period with my LEOSA.

In all of my years of carrying, I have never been asked about my gun, or a license, or anything. One of the reasons that I like concealed carry, is that if truly concealed, no one knows you have it, and don't ask about it.

Thanks for all the time you put into this post, and the helpful information.

Finally, congrats on passing the course.

Best Regards, Les

[Maddog 521]

Originally Posted by buzzkillbob

You're overthinking it. Each one only rules out one form of carry. It takes both to rule out carrying a firearm:

30:06-only no CC, OC allowed
30:07-only no OC, CC allowed
30:06 & 30:07 neither OC or CC allowed

IANAL and IANAE...

Yes sir, that's the way I read it too.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by buzzkillbob

I've read this twice and have to ask...how does one open carry with a fanny pack?!?

When I decide to carry? it sure AINT going to be in a "fanny pack" or "men's purse."

Edited to erase a mistake.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by buzzkillbob

I've read this twice and have to ask...how does one open carry with a fanny pack?!?

It's carry--period-and NO ankle holsters allowed and NO-carrying in a backpack etc.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by GaryS

My understanding of the law is that, at least for commercial establishments, the notification has to be written and has to comply exactly with the provisions of 30:06 and 30:07. A verbal notification or non compliant sign is invalid.

A private residence is a different story. At least I would think so.

Pvt residence and Pvt. Business-which CAN be a substitute for a "home" though not necessarily a home. Im not sure how to properly explain it properly for fear of not telling it like the instructor said it.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by kthom

Never the less, discretion is the better part of valor. If one wishes to avoid problems, if that one is asked (inside any location) to leave if armed, it would seem to be a very wise thing to comply. The law is different in different places concerning this fact, but it seems to me that just because one can do something, even legally, it does not mean that it is wise to do that thing. It's my opinion that one should be as wise and smart as possible. If I am told I am not welcome in a place with my firearm, posted or not, I do not intend to stay there, with or without my weapon. I would expect no less if the business or the home was mine and I was the one asking someone to leave for any reason.

EXACTAMUNDO!! and thanks.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by alexrex20

And yet Chicago is the crime capital of the USA lol

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They'll get a respite for awhile as Arctic weather will put a damper on gang-banger-wannabe activity.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by Maddog 521

Ringo I know this is an old post but I have to ask.

I thought the posted 07 sign means "no open carry"?
The posted 06 sign means "no concealed carry"?

Honestly, I cant remember which number goes with which explanation. All I know for sure-for like places making at least 51% of their total sales-in alcohol products--means no entry with gun on any circumstance--unless-said business owner allows you to with written or verbal agreement. Any business expressing wishes for one to not come in with a gun--ill respect their wishes-others have only "asked" customers to not bring them in-not saying they cant bring them in. Something like that stems from idiots who brought AR-style rifles-into a coffee shop. Yeah they have the right-but they forgot-or didnt care that some people freak out at the sight of things made of wood and metal.

Im almost at the point that I dont care what they think of me having a gun in holster--but id still try to do whats right/

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by Old TexMex

.here you go.....
.TxDPS - License to Carry (LTC) FAQs

Here I go again posting before reading-or counting chickens before eggs hatch.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by les.b

Thanks, Ringo!! I haven't been to Texas for awhile, but I believe that my WV Concealed Carry is good there. And I have LEOSA as well, but like to keep my WV and FL carry licenses up as well, in case I run over my certification period with my LEOSA.

In all of my years of carrying, I have never been asked about my gun, or a license, or anything. One of the reasons that I like concealed carry, is that if truly concealed, no one knows you have it, and don't ask about it.

Thanks for all the time you put into this post, and the helpful information.

Finally, congrats on passing the course.

Best Regards, Les

And thank you. IF you ever decide to move here? ill be glad to sponsor you. I just wished that NRA-or LTC instructor--would have corrected me on anything if I wasnt right? instead of tossing a rock into a calm pond-NOT offering advice. I notice he hasnt posted since.

[Old TexMex]

Originally Posted by the ringo kid

Here I go again posting before reading-or counting chickens before eggs hatch.

Ankle holster is a legal concealed carry method (So is Mexican carry or hidden under your hat or in the crotch of your BVDs) as long as it's concealed. It's not legal to "open carry" in any way other than shoulder holster or on the waist.
Possession of a firearm open or concealed in an establishment that displays 51% is illegal.

[KSDeputy]

Way, way too complicated. The instructor should have given you and all students a copy of the law. Wish they had constitutional carry as we have in KS. TX is my home state, I grew up there. I want them to have constitutional carry.

[buzzkillbob]

Originally Posted by the ringo kid

When I decide to carry? it sure AINT going to be in a "fanny pack" or "men's purse." Holster only-whether OC or CC.

Originally Posted by the ringo kid

It's carry--period-and NO ankle holsters allowed and NO-carrying in a backpack etc.

You responded to me twice, but still haven't explained how one open carries in a fanny pack. You had it listed under "open carry" in the post I quoted. I don't see how it wouldn't be considered concealed.